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Old 02-12-2011, 08:44 AM   #31
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(get someone who can back squat 400lbs I bet the first time they front squat they won't be able to get more than 200lbs so is someone that front squats 200lb stronger than a 400lb back squatter?).
There is quite a bit more carry over.

I rarely front squat...3-4 times a year. My back squat is about 450-470 at the moment, and I could hit 315+ for a single on front squats right now. This carry over is not only from squats, but also from deadlifts.

The same with other similar lifts. I hadn't used the dumbbell row in 6+ months until a few weeks ago, but was easily able to hit 215 pounds for 5 reps. This was down from my previous max of 215 x 10, but after 2 weeks I'm almost back to my max.

Last Fall I trained with wheelchair bodybuilder Rich Knapp at a Gold's Gym. I hadn't used the leg press in 20+ years, and was easily able to hit nearly 1,000 pounds.

Well rounded strength on the basic compound lifts creates a lot of carry over, and in many different areas. In college my frequent squatting increased my sprint speed noticeably, and my vertical jump to the point where I could nearly dunk.
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Old 02-12-2011, 08:57 AM   #32
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your one strong dude steve!

I realise there is a carryover but there seems to be this attitude that you need to squat or your nothing. I think as long as you progress in an exercise you will get bigger and stronger. That being said I'm not overly concerned with strength I just want size with strength being a nice by-product.

what would you say is a decent working set for front squats steve? I actually use two chairs in my garage and do dead start front squats which I think are slightly harder...
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To be fair, at first there actually were no such things as leg presses, squats, or the bench press until recently. If you wanted to Bench back in the day, you did a pull-over and press:




For a leg press:




For squats they didn't have a squat rack, so you had to either clean the weight or Steinborn Squat it (read: muscle it up onto your back and then squat):




For what it's worth, I started front squats when I had a 285 back squat. The hardest part for me was the technique of getting stable with the bar. Once I got that down, I hit 225 fairly quickly; despite being posterior chain dominant.

Dead-start anything is always harder, by the way. I'd do rack work like that too if I had a power rack to use...
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That is one badass leg press!! Im going to be tempted to try that out at the gym....
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they were mad back in the day lol

That leg press looks so dangerous.

It was steinborn who introduced heavy squatting to us. I once heard bodybuilders used to just squat with their bodyweight equivalent (or what ever they could clean)
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Can you imagine the looks you would get at a gym if you leg press like that! People would be too afraid of you to tell you to stop
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Can you imagine the looks you would get at a gym if you leg press like that! People would be too afraid of you to tell you to stop
Look at the old army boots as well....just using the groove to hold 500lb in place lol
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That being said I'm not overly concerned with strength I just want size with strength being a nice by-product.

How do you plan to get bigger without getting stronger?
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How do you plan to get bigger without getting stronger?
I do want to get stronger but I dont train for 1 rep maxes. I train progressively but like a bodybuilder
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I do want to get stronger but I dont train for 1 rep maxes. I train progressively but like a bodybuilder
^ This is how you will gain size. Progression and a solid diet.

We don't train for 1RM either...well not directly.

Progression is progression. It's the same for beginning and intermediate bodybuilders and powerlifters. Intermediate powerlifters generally don't train much different than bodybuilders in that they use the same lifts, and don't often train with singles and triples. They can, depending on the system, but they generally don't need to.

Good old fashion progression is king.
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