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Old 05-13-2013, 07:06 AM   #21
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In my opinion if you're eating more food than your body needs to pack on muscle, you're also going to pack on some fat. Unless you're a super genetic freak or on the juice then there's really nothing you're gonna be able to do about that. You should just be happy that you're getting stronger and making progress in the gym! Who cares if you get a little pudgy?

Depends what your goals are, and who you are as a person.

Granted, allot of the powerlifters won't be as bothered. Getting stronger is likely their main focus rather than looking super cut.

If your doing both though, lifting to be strong and to look good, then it is a pretty big deal if you start looking fat. in my opinion.

If you look the reverse of what you want to look like for a year, then whats the point?







Two people I watch on youtube, both natural lifters, and they stay lean all year round.

I've been very afraid of fat gain myself, but what I'm doing now seems to be working. I haven't put any fat on as of yet, I'm confident now I won't get pudgy while doing my bulk.
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Old 05-13-2013, 07:39 AM   #22
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Depends what your goals are, and who you are as a person.

Granted, allot of the powerlifters won't be as bothered. Getting stronger is likely their main focus rather than looking super cut.
This is a grand generalization and not very true. Many bodybuilders understand that, at some point, you have to accept some fat gain in order to get big and build muscle. From the friends I have who compete, it's only after years of building and getting close to their "optimal" show size do they focus on staying "relatively lean" during their off-season. And even then, they all gain fat as a part of the process. Here, I am talking about my friends who use gear and compete. Looking super-cut is a look that if attained after you have put in lots of work to build enough muscle so that once you cut (and lose fat and some muscle), you still have enough muscle to look like you train.

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If your doing both though, lifting to be strong and to look good, then it is a pretty big deal if you start looking fat. in my opinion.
Most people who want to look ripped end up looking fat because they don't have enough muscle. The more muscle you carry, the more fat you can carry and not look fat. In my avatar, I am 240# and about 17.5-18% BF. I don't think I look fat in the slightest. Looking jacked is about how much muscle you carry, not how low your BF% is. 165 can never look jacked and ripped. Sorry.

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If you look the reverse of what you want to look like for a year, then whats the point?
Young lifters make the mistake of thinking in terms of "this summer" instead of "the rest of my life." If they spent 2-3 years just building muscle (naturals, here), then they could do one cut and have all the muscle they'd likely ever need or ever have (naturally) and not have to do these bulk-cut cycles.
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Old 05-13-2013, 09:27 AM   #24
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This is a grand generalization and not very true. Many bodybuilders understand that, at some point, you have to accept some fat gain in order to get big and build muscle. From the friends I have who compete, it's only after years of building and getting close to their "optimal" show size do they focus on staying "relatively lean" during their off-season. And even then, they all gain fat as a part of the process. Here, I am talking about my friends who use gear and compete. Looking super-cut is a look that if attained after you have put in lots of work to build enough muscle so that once you cut (and lose fat and some muscle), you still have enough muscle to look like you train.
I wasn't generalizing anybody. I said allot of the powerlifters, not all. Just like I could say allot of people like house music. The generalization would be most people like house music, or most powerlifters don't mind gaining a bit of fat.

Like I said, thats all relative to you and your personal goals.
I'm not a bodybuilder, nor a powerlifter, nor do I want to be huge.
I want to look good and athletic, and be a great deal stronger.
I have no desire to get to the level where I could compete.
Those two video's that I put up, are of just normal guys, who have accomplished what I want to do. Neither class themselves as bodybuilders or powerlifters. They look good all year round, and lift as a hobby.
They stay lean all year, no doubt about it.

Who said I was cutting? I plan to build muscle for 2 years, whilst maybe adding a couple of mini cuts during my bulk if I gain more fat than I'd like.


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Most people who want to look ripped end up looking fat because they don't have enough muscle. The more muscle you carry, the more fat you can carry and not look fat. In my avatar, I am 240# and about 17.5-18% BF. I don't think I look fat in the slightest. Looking jacked is about how much muscle you carry, not how low your BF% is. 165 can never look jacked and ripped. Sorry.

I never disputed that, and I've been told that many times.
My comment was in response to the guy above. Who suggested you'll likely get pudgy on a bulk, which I saw no reason for, after looking at other people who stay lean, and actually from following advice from guys on here.



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Young lifters make the mistake of thinking in terms of "this summer" instead of "the rest of my life." If they spent 2-3 years just building muscle (naturals, here), then they could do one cut and have all the muscle they'd likely ever need or ever have (naturally) and not have to do these bulk-cut cycles.
I'm assuming thats me your referring to. Someone yet again playing that scratch record that I don't listen.

That IS what I'm doing.

I am thinking in terms of years. In 2 years, I'll likely have gotten as big as I want to get.

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I'm assuming thats me your referring to. Someone yet again playing that scratch record that I don't listen.

That IS what I'm doing.

I am thinking in terms of years. In 2 years, I'll likely have gotten as big as I want to get.
I wasn't referring to you at all. I was making a general statement based on what I have learned and observed. I'm not playing any games at all. I don't know you from Adam, don't read most of what you post, or anything. I barely read and post on the board.

You're making the assumptions here. For example: if you assume that the guys in those vids got to look like that without ever carrying extra fat, you are mistaken. It. Doesn't. Happen.
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I wasn't referring to you at all. I was making a general statement based on what I have learned and observed. I'm not playing any games at all. I don't know you from Adam, don't read most of what you post, or anything. I barely read and post on the board.

You're making the assumptions here. For example: if you assume that the guys in those vids got to look like that without ever carrying extra fat, you are mistaken. It. Doesn't. Happen.


I never said they've never gained extra fat.

I said they stay lean all year

As I'm sure your well aware, a guy at 10% bf could gain fat throughout a bulk and end up at 12%. Thats still lean. And that was my point.


This stemed from me replying to someone, who presumed you'd look pudgy after a bulk.
While that may be the case sometimes, and while I'm not qualified to question those that know more about lifting than me, I've learned that you can stay lean, year round.
From information on here, and from other sources.

I think the assumptions are of yours.

I never said anything about not gaining a scrap of fat when you bulk up, but you assumed thats what I meant.
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Find your daily caloric maintenance
add 300 cals
divide the calories between 1g protein per body lb 2g carbs per body lb and rest into fats. This can be mitigated depending on how you respond to each macro.

get a dry morning weight, after a week weigh yourself. If you added .5-1lbs your in a good spot keep going if you didnt add any weight add 200 cals. this consistently over a year gives you 24-48lbs of added mass. its all about consistency This is a lifelong project, whether your competitive or just staying in shape.

follow this protocol for 4 weeks.

For one week halve your carbs and have 2 zero carb days(non training days). This helps your body drop some water/fat and prepare your body to use carbs more efficiently.

The mirror is also your friend watch that as well for changes.
Keep track of strength progression as well.

repeat the cycle and make adjustments.

When it come to gear and change of hormones the macro side of things changes. I feel most naturals don't need more 1-1.2 g of protein per body lb, this would change for a guy with extra assistance and i have not really dived into the neck of the woods.
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How do your maintenance as a teen though?
You don't Linden. You eat until satiety, and then eat a little more than normal.

I have mentioned this numerous times before. Please check our previous conversations.

You are underweight and should listen to your body, not a calculator. I do not advise that teens counts calories. It's not needed. They need to eat when hungry.
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I started on 3000, but everyone recommended I start slower until I'm gaining a good amount of weight each month.

2500 seems to be working for me fine now I've realized allot of what I thought was extra fat was water.
Not everyone. I would never advocate a teen count calories, nor make such a larger drop in calories.
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Not everyone. I would never advocate a teen count calories, nor make such a larger drop in calories.
"Start at 2500 per day. After 3-4 weeks if you're not gaining weight go to 2800 per day. Wait 3-4 weeks. If not gaining weight go to 3100.

Once you are gaining 1.5-2 pounds per month, stay the course."


Thats your PM you sent me a while back.

Your advice is working, without the water I'm gaining around that a month, so I'm staying with 2500.
Think I've found that sweet spot now so I'll stay the course like you said.
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