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Old 06-05-2013, 12:12 PM   #681
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Default 6/5/13 Deadlift

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225x3, 315x1, 365x0,0

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135x8, 155x8, 175x8

RDL
140x12x3

BB Shrug
140x10, 190x10,10

Overall Workout Grade: C

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Meh, what can i say. I woke up late, so this session started off on a weird vibe. Was intending to work up to a heavy single on deadlifts. 315 was rather easy. I thought for sure I should have 365, however I couldn't really even get it off of the ground.
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Threw in some Squats for reps. I had been doing sets of 10, I cut it back to sets of 8, so I wasn't sure what weight to use. I went a bit light.

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365x0 Deadlift:



The top set of squats is still being edited by youtube. I will get it up when it's done.
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Old 06-05-2013, 01:51 PM   #682
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I actually appluad the second effort to get the bar moving Big J. It speaks volumes that you wanted it bad. Ya, its a huge fucking drag you didn't get it, but its fixable. I think you are starting with your hips too low. A deadlift is not a squat. All deadlifters are not created equal in the starting position either. Next time, start with the hips higher. When you think they are good, then begin the pull being tight as can be, pulling the bar towards you as you sit back on those heels. Once I am in position, I roll backwards on my heels a bit as I hold the bar and then pull.

Curious - have you ever tried sumo's? You just might be better suited for them, based on how you pull now.
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I actually appluad the second effort to get the bar moving Big J. It speaks volumes that you wanted it bad. Ya, its a huge fucking drag you didn't get it, but its fixable. I think you are starting with your hips too low. A deadlift is not a squat. All deadlifters are not created equal in the starting position either. Next time, start with the hips higher. When you think they are good, then begin the pull being tight as can be, pulling the bar towards you as you sit back on those heels. Once I am in position, I roll backwards on my heels a bit as I hold the bar and then pull.

Curious - have you ever tried sumo's? You just might be better suited for them, based on how you pull now.
Thanks Jim.
I agree with you somewhat about the hip issue. I'm really not sure where they need to be to be honest. After taking a couple months off from deads because I was causing chronic injury I made some form changes. I identified one of my problems was my shoulders being too far over the bar, causing me to put much of the load on my lower back. So in an effort to get my shoulders just a bit in front of the bar, I am dropping my hips when I set up. Where before I didn't do this. So good eye.
Any suggestions on how I shall proceed? I can attempt to find a happy medium between my shoulders being at a proper position over the bar and the position of my hips being up higher during the set up.

The other issue you raised is tightness. I think posterior tightness is also a big issue that I need to work on. I think this is also a big issue with my lack of explosivness out of the hole when squatting. So again, I say good eye.

Sumo, I have never really tried them. I will try them next week. Thanks for your advice Jim. You gave me a lot to work with!
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Thanks Jim.
I agree with you somewhat about the hip issue. I'm really not sure where they need to be to be honest. After taking a couple months off from deads because I was causing chronic injury I made some form changes. I identified one of my problems was my shoulders being too far over the bar, causing me to put much of the load on my lower back. So in an effort to get my shoulders just a bit in front of the bar, I am dropping my hips when I set up. Where before I didn't do this. So good eye.
Any suggestions on how I shall proceed? I can attempt to find a happy medium between my shoulders being at a proper position over the bar and the position of my hips being up higher during the set up.

The other issue you raised is tightness. I think posterior tightness is also a big issue that I need to work on. I think this is also a big issue with my lack of explosivness out of the hole when squatting. So again, I say good eye.

Sumo, I have never really tried them. I will try them next week. Thanks for your advice Jim. You gave me a lot to work with!
Watch Dan green and ed coan vids on you tube for inspiration. With the problems you stated I bet sumos will treat you real well
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The first thing I would do to proceed is to try sumo's. You could be just better built to pull that way. If that doesn't pan out, PM Steve on how to fix the hips too low issue in conjunction with shoulders too far over the bar. As you stated, shoulders too far forward is also a big problem as the bar will get away from you as you pull the bar up to your knee. This issue may be a clue that sumos are betetr suited to your build. I really hope you find they are!
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Looks like you were sitting a bit down on that last rep. Lost leverage. You'll get it hombre.

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Great work Josh! Like others have said talk to Steve if you want to fix conventional deads! I love me some sumo's though! Not that my form is a ton better on them, but it feels right to me! It honestly took me one time trying them to know that was the way for me to pull ! Hope you find what works best for you! Keep working hard big guy!!!
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Default 6/8/13 Cycle 14 Week 2 OHP

Thanks for all the replies and posts guys. Sorry I haven't replied, I'm in a bit of a time crunch this morning and will reply as soon as I can. Please don't think my lack of a reply is blowing your posts off. Because I greatly appreciate the responses.

Here is Saturdays session:

OHP
130x3
147.5x3
167.5x2 (Goalx3)

Pull ups BWx3 (solid)

Pull up/Rack chin superset
2/10,2/10,1/9

Incline Bench
135x10,150x10,165x10

DB Curl/band pushdown superset
40x10/20,40x9/20,35x7/20

Overall Workout Grade: B

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I missed a rep on my top set, but it really wasn't a bad session. I think that missed rep was just a hiccup and I will attempt it again next cylce. I'm really not that worried about it.

I will get this mornings PC/Squat session up as soon as I have time. I have a couple squat videos to accompany it.
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