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Old 05-06-2011, 09:42 AM   #11
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Is it true that, if a male spends his life up to, say, his early thirties NOT training or doing any kind of rigorous physical activity, that in terms of their total muscular development they are selling themselves short;

What I mean is, if these people start mass building and/or strength training in later life, they will not be able to attain as great a physique as they could have if they'd done some regular physical activity in their developmental years (say 12 - 25)?

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No. Not true. You could still develop an excellent physique by natural standards.

The term "great" has to come with a caveat. Truth is most folks never come close to their genetic potential, even natty bodybuilders. Most get 10-15 pounds away tops. So most folks who start training late can get to about where they would have been at an earlier age. Very, very few bodybuilders get to the great "great" level, and that's probably all luck of genetics.

I have done several interviews with guys that started lifting in their late 50's and made amazing progress. If someone is training right, they will gain at any age. I can't say that they could start training at 50 and hit their genetic ceiling, but there is no reason why they couldn't build a great natural physique.

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Old 05-06-2011, 09:44 AM   #12
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Is there anything you DONT know Steve... awesome buddy

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Thanks Carl but there's a lot I don't know or care about. Just ask Eknight.

Working in the industry I discuss and read this stuff 10-12 hours a day. It's knowledge by volume.
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Old 05-06-2011, 09:47 AM   #13
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No. Not true. You could still develop an excellent physique by natural standards.

The term "great" has to come with a caveat. Truth is most folks never come close to their genetic potential, even natty bodybuilders. Most get 10-15 pounds away tops. So most folks who start training late can get to about where they would have been at an earlier age. Very, very few bodybuilders get to the great "great" level, and that's probably all luck of genetics.

I have done several interviews with guys that started lifting in their late 50's and made amazing progress. If someone is training right, they will gain at any age. I can't say that they could start training at 50 and hit their genetic ceiling, but there is no reason why they couldn't build a great natural physique.

Check out my interview with Errol Hannigan:

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Great post Steve.
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Bench press: 135 kgs (298 lbs) - 1st PL meet 16th October 2011
Deadlift w/Barbell: 180 kgs (397 lbs)
Deadlift w/Hexbar: 225 kgs (496 lbs)
Farmers walk: 240 kgs (530 lbs), 50 feet
Front squat: 100 kgs (220 lbs)
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Strict OHP: 85 kgs (187 lbs) 3 reps
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Old 05-06-2011, 10:19 AM   #14
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In honour of my spot - Jared - who has aggravated an old snowboarding injury and cannot train for about 3 months.

Jared is actually really clued up on most everything that can be considered both technological and man-related (like fast cars and loud home cinemas), so he doesn't often ask what might be considered a dumb question.

This is not a question from Jared, but something I remember being told many years ago, by a guy not much older than me at the time, but who had clearly been training hard for over a year.

Is it true that, if a male spends his life up to, say, his early thirties NOT training or doing any kind of rigorous physical activity, that in terms of their total muscular development they are selling themselves short;

What I mean is, if these people start mass building and/or strength training in later life, they will not be able to attain as great a physique as they could have if they'd done some regular physical activity in their developmental years (say 12 - 25)?

Your thoughts.
I am 36 and did NO physical activity untill about 4 years ago (other than a bit of soccer as a kid). I have crappy genetics, gain fat easy, dont gain muscle easily, have NO natural strength or muscle definition or muscularity in general (except i have always had largisg thighs). I have no arm mass at all, I could feel my ribs through my pecs and had no chest development at all, no back, lats, forearms etc etc... i am not huge, but i am doing OK.

I was told the same thing, loads of times by loads of different people (including a Doctor) that after the age 30 you start losing muscle mass so all training wil do is maintain what you naturally have... its rubbish. With the right desire, diet, program, determination and most importantly consistency i think anyone can build a good physique. Maybe not as quickly, leanly, easily or quite as successfully as a testosterone filled 18 year old, but you can get there in the end. Even if starting late means you miss you genetic potential by 10-15lbs, with a 10% bf you are still gonna look awesome and be above average in any gym that you go to.

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Old 05-06-2011, 10:28 AM   #15
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I am 36 and did NO physical activity untill about 4 years ago (other than a bit of soccer as a kid). I have crappy genetics, gain fat easy, dont gain muscle easily, have NO natural strength or muscle definition or muscularity in general (except i have always had largisg thighs). I have no arm mass at all, I could feel my ribs through my pecs and had no chest development at all, no back, lats, forearms etc etc... i am not huge, but i am doing OK.

I was told the same thing, loads of times by loads of different people (including a Doctor) that after the age 30 you start losing muscle mass so all training wil do is maintain what you naturally have... its rubbish. With the right desire, diet, program, determination and most importantly consistency i think anyone can build a good physique. Maybe not as quickly, leanly, easily or quite as successfully as a testosterone filled 18 year old, but you can get there in the end. Even if starting late means you miss you genetic potential by 10-15lbs, with a 10% bf you are still gonna look awesome and be above average in any gym that you go to.

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OMG, that bit I put in bold is a serious shock to me. I didn't know that was possible.

You're old avi from the other site was of an impressive specimen, Carlson. You have a lot to be proud of clearly.

Thanks for the contribution.
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Deadlift w/Barbell: 180 kgs (397 lbs)
Deadlift w/Hexbar: 225 kgs (496 lbs)
Farmers walk: 240 kgs (530 lbs), 50 feet
Front squat: 100 kgs (220 lbs)
Log clean-press: 100 kgs (220 lbs)
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Old 05-06-2011, 10:34 AM   #16
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OMG, that bit I put in bold is a serious shock to me. I didn't know that was possible.

You're old avi from the other site was of an impressive specimen, Carlson. You have a lot to be proud of clearly.

Thanks for the contribution.
Yes mate, i seriously had NO CHEST at all mate. I wasnt even skinny at the time, i just had no muscle there. i had a fat gut (39" waist at 5'6") and no fat really anywhere else, pipecleaner arms and a flatter, less definied chest, shoulders, back and muscles in general than most 10 year old boys... ill try to find a picture, but i seriously had no shape whatsoever and i was as unfit as they come. i couldnt run for 5 mins without stopping for a walk, at the time of that old avi I ran a half marathon in 1 hour 49mins... not the fastest in the world, but for an asthmatic, genetic loser, not bad at all

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