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Old 03-08-2011, 07:12 AM   #551
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Knees will be fine mate... I wont tlet a bit of pain stop me

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Same here buddy. Just be smart about though. Don't need to lose my e-lifting partner!
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Great work C-man. I occasionally get some pain in the same place. Heat works. I have some friends who speak highly of the neoprene sleeves to keep the joint warm. I haven't tried them yet but will soon.
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Old 03-08-2011, 08:28 AM   #553
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Same here buddy. Just be smart about though. Don't need to lose my e-lifting partner!
Ill be carefull this time. i have gone balls to the wall and ignored things before and ended up injured. i dont plan on doing that again...
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Great work C-man. I occasionally get some pain in the same place. Heat works. I have some friends who speak highly of the neoprene sleeves to keep the joint warm. I haven't tried them yet but will soon.
Thanks Bam, Mrs Carl has some knees sleeves, so might start wearing them. They dont feel too bad now tbh, but i almost has to cut the set short this morning and thats the first time its even been that bad. i think knee sleeves, deep heat and ibugel and I should be good

Geezer pains... gotta love em

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I would review your form too. A little lean forward or to one side or the other, stopping at a different position then you are used to can all contribute to pain.
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Old 03-08-2011, 08:36 AM   #555
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I would review your form too. A little lean forward or to one side or the other, stopping at a different position then you are used to can all contribute to pain.
Yeh i havent done a vid for a while so I might do one. Form is OK i thik, but always worth a review

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Reeves Classic, Week 8 - Day 2

Squats (ATG)
80kg x 12
90kg x 12 upped reps
120kg x 8

BB Rows
55kg x 12
60kg x 12 upped reps
72.5kg x 8

DB Shoulder Press
17.5 kg x 12
22kg x 10
25kg x 7 dropped reps

DB Bench Press
27.5kg x 12
30kg x 12
32.5kg x 9 upped reps

BB Curls (alternating)
25kg x 12
30kg x 12 upped reps
30kg x 8

Dips
BW x 28
BW x 11
BW x 9 - 48 total upped reps

BB Calf Raises
130kg x 20
130kg x 18 upped reps
130kg x 15

Crunch Chair
40kg x 12
40kg x 12
40kg x 12 upped weight on all sets and deloaded reps

A good session...

I have, however hurt my knees some how. They have been stiff for a while (when getting up from a chair, or any other time when straightening after being bend for a while, which i just have put down to my age and the fact that most of my joints are a bit crappy), but today they were in pain during the second and final sets of squats... NOT HAPPY... I dont know what to do now... If I see a Doc they will tell me to stop squatting for sure, which i will ignore, so not much point going tbh, maybee try some Glucosamine...

Rows were good and felt fairly easy to be honest. I upped reps on the second set by a couple, but wish i had pushed the third set too as I am deadlifting next session not rowing... so a bit annoyed with myself that i didnt.

Then presses were a nightmare. I could get on an adjustable bench, so i had no back support and it made a big difference so i couldnt gett all the reps pn the last set

Bench however felt easy, but i resisted the urge to rep out on the last set. Slow and steady....

Curls felt good and Dips were very good. Really wanted 30 in the first set, but fell a bit short, will try for it again next session though

Calves were good and I added a couple of reps on the second set and the weight went up on abs too...

Toatl workout time about 1 hour. Grade A, but really annoyed about the knees

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Old 03-08-2011, 08:50 AM   #556
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I have, however hurt my knees some how. They have been stiff for a while (when getting up from a chair, or any other time when straightening after being bend for a while, which i just have put down to my age and the fact that most of my joints are a bit crappy), but today they were in pain during the second and final sets of squats... NOT HAPPY... I dont know what to do now... If I see a Doc they will tell me to stop squatting for sure, which i will ignore, so not much point going tbh, maybee try some Glucosamine...

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A dull ache, is one thing, but a sharp knife like pain is completely different.

I would go easy for a few days. Does it matter how much weight you use, or is it there regardless? It may be prudent to be pull back a bit on the volume, or the weight for a week or two, and evaluate how you feel.

The supps people have reccomeneded are good as well.

You have done a great job of getting your workset weights up to your normal squat numbers. In addition you have also been doing a lot of volume. This is the kind of situations to watch for, as you get acclimated into a program like this.

Your muscles have built back up to the demand, but your joints may need a little more time. I had similer issues when I first started this type of training.

Try dropping your top set for a week or two. You could do:

80kg x
80kg x
90kg x

OR

80kg x
90kg x
90kg x


I would try the first setup, and then if you feel ok, after a week, go to the second, and then if it feels ok, add weight again to the third.

What % of max is your 120kg? 70-75% of known Pr for the top set is plenty. At 80% you really start to hammer your body.

If this was a H/L/M concept then you would be working at these approx % numbers.

80 for the heavy topset day
60 for the light topset day
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DAmn Carl hope the knee gets better buddy. We are getting a little knicked up in this routine lol. But I know your a stubborn bastard and will work through it, keep killing it buddy you make me proud!!

Drop dips for a week or two Tim, and just work on rehab flexability. You must go easy with dips and not overstretch your shoulders. Mr. Form Nazi, should known better, if he is in fact a form nazi.

Is the pain in the front delt area as it tie's in too the bicep?

How does your benching feel?
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Nice training session Carl. Numbers looking fine.
I've got a question just out of curiosity. When doing barbell rows are your palms facing down to your legs or up to your chest and what would be the advantage of either one? I'm just thinking of doing rows in my next plan in some weeks or so.
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A dull ache, is one thing, but a sharp knife like pain is completely different.

I would go easy for a few days. Does it matter how much weight you use, or is it there regardless? It may be prudent to be pull back a bit on the volume, or the weight for a week or two, and evaluate how you feel.
## It is there regardless tbh honest... it has been a nagging pain for a while now, just today it seemed worse than ever. there is pain there even with bodyweight, but just not as bad.

The supps people have reccomeneded are good as well.

You have done a great job of getting your workset weights up to your normal squat numbers. In addition you have also been doing a lot of volume. This is the kind of situations to watch for, as you get acclimated into a program like this.

Your muscles have built back up to the demand, but your joints may need a little more time. I had similer issues when I first started this type of training.

Try dropping your top set for a week or two. You could do:

80kg x
80kg x
90kg x

OR

80kg x
90kg x
90kg x


I would try the first setup, and then if you feel ok, after a week, go to the second, and then if it feels ok, add weight again to the third.

What % of max is your 120kg? 70-75% of known Pr for the top set is plenty. At 80% you really start to hammer your body.
## 120kg is 80% of my known best (150kg x 2)... Plus I have never really done the amount of reps (well not for a while) I always trained in the 2-8max

If this was a H/L/M concept then you would be working at these approx % numbers.

80 for the heavy topset day
60 for the light topset day
70 for the medium topset day

cheers GL. i will drop the weight back a little and use the supps and see how i am after a fortnight....

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Nice training session Carl. Numbers looking fine.
I've got a question just out of curiosity. When doing barbell rows are your palms facing down to your legs or up to your chest and what would be the advantage of either one? I'm just thinking of doing rows in my next plan in some weeks or so.
Palms face the floor. If you turn the hand over then more bicep is recruited. I like to hit the back as hard as possible so keep them facing down. Also (i think) hands facing up will recruit the lower portion of the the lats rarther than the upper portion... Could be wrong about that though

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cheers GL. i will drop the weight back a little and use the supps and see how i am after a fortnight....

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