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Old 06-25-2013, 04:02 AM   #191
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Thanks guys. Unfortunately, my body is still in bits (chest and piriformis) and I have elected to take until next Wednesday off because I think it needs a rest. I have actually been training consistently for a good while again but I have also been training injured for weeks and it plain sucks!

Upon my return, I will do 2 x sessions a week since my weak body needs the recovery time. However, I will use it to my advantage and get in the best possible shape by doing plenty of conditioning. Supposed to be going to Nigeria with my wife (her homeland) in October so I should have cut my bodyfat right down towards single digit level by then (it's already at it's lowest level since my teens). Never thought I would go down this route but I've been forced to rethink.

Hopefully, my body will recover to the point where I can actually think about getting stronger again! Rant over!

It probably isn't possible to make progress training just twice a week but I assume it is good for maintenance and keeping things ticking over? I am not worried about strength loss as that would imply I had some to begin with

I would love to do the 40 Day Dan John Challenge and will when I am back on a caloric surplus.
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To be perfectly blunt, that's a bunch of horse crap! I'm not sure where that line of thinking comes from, but training twice a week can lead to even BIGGER gains. Fewer sessions will leave you feeling fresh and not so beat up, that will lead to you absolutely killing it in the gym, and then with all that added recovery. . .
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To be perfectly blunt, that's a bunch of horse crap! I'm not sure where that line of thinking comes from, but training twice a week can lead to even BIGGER gains. Fewer sessions will leave you feeling fresh and not so beat up, that will lead to you absolutely killing it in the gym, and then with all that added recovery. . .
I knew you'd be in here

I did some research and saw you championing it on another forum

It intrigues me and my brain is muddled with ideas. I may actually do the Dan John 40 day challenge with light weights to promote recovery and repetition and then do a John Christy style 2 day a week program to see what happens.

It isn't like I'm going to make much progress at the moment with injuries. My first priority is several days of rest first and then go from there.

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Hang in there Kuyt! Just heal up and keep moving forward. DO tell what this 40 day challenge is. I am a big fan of Dan John.
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Funny you ask Mike as I went ahead and did it. I'm looking at it as a form of rehab as my glass body tries to recover. You'll find most of the information here: Even Easier Strength | Dan John

I made it until Friday when I simply had to train!

I feel like a cripple half the time so I'm being very conservative since it beats being injured and needing to take more time off. I have never actually mentioned the fact that I have always been injured frequently even as a teenager playing sports so I shouldn't be surprised by what is happening now! I just need to be more careful and bear in mind that I won't be shattering any world records, only my back if I don't smarten up!

Anyways, I am doing:

Paused squats
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RDL - (deadlift on singles and 5,3,2 day)
Clean and strict press
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I have already found that wearing a belt helps me a lot on squats and RDLs. Had no belt on Saturday and felt sore even though the weights were titchy. Wore a belt and felt no pain at all on Sunday which is encouraging going forward. I am doing 2x5 most days except pre-scheduled 5,3,2 and singles days. Starting extremely light and have some preliminary targets to meet by the end.

If all goes well, I will probably try a 2 day workout a la John Christy for a few months. It is clear that my body needs more recovery than most as trial and error have shown!

My main goal is really to train without pain and if that can be achieved, I will be very happy.
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As a fellow Mr. Glass, I can sympathize with you. I have a seriously torn up back with a doctor-verified 65% disability rating, my right knee was torn up by a bull at a rodeo but never fixed, and my shoulders give me fits from time to time. But alas, there is hope and maybe I can share a few things that have helped.

For starters, I just can't push lifting hard all the time. Really long cycles run back to back leave me crippled for weeks somewhere along the lines. But I've found that I can train in the 75% to 80% range year-round. So I spend long periods working with moderate weights and building my base of strength and conditioning. A couple of times a year I will peak to heavier weights to test myself and see what kind of progress I've made. It's a much slower process but it's what I have to do to stay healthy.

The other thing that has saved me is focusing more on reps rather than just the weight on the bar. I get hurt far more easily when I get too close to my 1RM. But if I keep the intensity lower and just keep working on rep PRs (either with 5/3/1 or my current set-up), then I can keep most of the injuries at bay.

I've recently found Paul Carter's blog, lift-run-bang, and I've noticed that he talks a lot about the same kind of stuff. He doesn't really use it for injury prevention but he thinks it's a very productive way to train. You might want to check it out if you haven't already.

Lastly, listen to your body and back off when it doesn't want to give you what you want. Be conservative with your weight jumps and pick exercises that fit your style and needs. For instance, I box squat a lot because it keeps my back healthy. I think regular squats would be better for my maxes, but my maxes don't matter when I'm laid up in bed for weeks at a time. Find the lifts that fit you.
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As a fellow Mr. Glass, I can sympathize with you. I have a seriously torn up back with a doctor-verified 65% disability rating, my right knee was torn up by a bull at a rodeo but never fixed, and my shoulders give me fits from time to time. But alas, there is hope and maybe I can share a few things that have helped.

For starters, I just can't push lifting hard all the time. Really long cycles run back to back leave me crippled for weeks somewhere along the lines. But I've found that I can train in the 75% to 80% range year-round. So I spend long periods working with moderate weights and building my base of strength and conditioning. A couple of times a year I will peak to heavier weights to test myself and see what kind of progress I've made. It's a much slower process but it's what I have to do to stay healthy.

The other thing that has saved me is focusing more on reps rather than just the weight on the bar. I get hurt far more easily when I get too close to my 1RM. But if I keep the intensity lower and just keep working on rep PRs (either with 5/3/1 or my current set-up), then I can keep most of the injuries at bay.

I've recently found Paul Carter's blog, lift-run-bang, and I've noticed that he talks a lot about the same kind of stuff. He doesn't really use it for injury prevention but he thinks it's a very productive way to train. You might want to check it out if you haven't already.

Lastly, listen to your body and back off when it doesn't want to give you what you want. Be conservative with your weight jumps and pick exercises that fit your style and needs. For instance, I box squat a lot because it keeps my back healthy. I think regular squats would be better for my maxes, but my maxes don't matter when I'm laid up in bed for weeks at a time. Find the lifts that fit you.
Thanks OR. I am an avid reader of LRB and like Carter's writing style and approach to lifting which is based on common sense. He is eventually releasing a base building book which will be an excellent read I'm sure.

This 40 day challenge allows me to train regularly but at this minute, I am not even in the vicinity of heavy and won't be for quite a while. It's all about training and not being injured right now! I won't be 'pushing it' for a bit but I won't be completely lazy either.

Anyways, thanks for stopping by
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Sounds good. PC and LRB has had a decent amount of influence on my current routine, which seems to be working fantastic right now.
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