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Old 12-11-2009, 09:07 PM   #121
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So do you have a workout structure or plan right now? Or are you more or less tinkering around?
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I find the concept of training to failure a bit hazy. For example, which of the following would constitute training to failure for pecs (consider a lifter whose 10RM is 175 lbs)

Case A)
workset 1: bench press - 175 x 10 + 1 forced rep
workset 2: flyes with 35 lbs till he cant do another rep and finish off with a couple of forced rep on flyes

Case B)
Workset 1: bench press - 175 x 10
Workset 2: bench press - 165 x 10 (max reps after getting fatigued with set 1)
Workset 3: bench press - 155 x 10 (max at this stage)
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Workset n: bench press - 95 x 10 (max at this stage)
Another few sets of flyes, working down from 35lbs to 15 lbs.

Case (A), the lifter does forced reps and still has gas left in tanks to rep out 135 lbs for 10. Case (B), the lifter does not do forced reps etc but uses high volume to ensure he cant move significant weights in that workout any more. Which of them is training to failure, or well, more inclined towards training to failure?

It's another matter that I personally think both case (A) and (B) are unnecessary
Your over thinking the matter, training to failure doesn't mean that you cant do more sets with a lot less weight, it means that you take a weight that is maximal for that rep range and go until you can no longer perform another rep in good form.
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Old 12-12-2009, 01:05 AM   #122
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So do you have a workout structure or plan right now? Or are you more or less tinkering around?
Its kind of both and neither. My training is structured, but also open to some instinct, but every once in a while (especially when time for training during the week is limited) i will test out new ideas and then take note of many of the effects to decide if it is valuable to my training at the time.
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Old 12-12-2009, 08:41 AM   #123
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Its kind of both and neither. My training is structured, but also open to some instinct, but every once in a while (especially when time for training during the week is limited) i will test out new ideas and then take note of many of the effects to decide if it is valuable to my training at the time.
Just curious. Looking forward to you putting up big numbers. Keep grinding.

I am paranoid about setting a bad example because I tinker around. I just don't want to negatively impact you.

How have your benches felt this week? And how far have they come in the last 3-4 months?
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Old 12-12-2009, 08:57 AM   #124
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Just curious. Looking forward to you putting up big numbers. Keep grinding.

I am paranoid about setting a bad example because I tinker around. I just don't want to negatively impact you.

How have your benches felt this week? And how far have they come in the last 3-4 months?
Dude you can ask kitar and shaolin, i tinker alot, constantly looking to improve my system.

as far as benches, my shoulders feel great so im happy there, last 3-4 months well i just started benching again about that time, and i started at 80ibs (it was light but i needed to be careful with my shoulder) and hit 140x3 the other day so
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Dude you can ask kitar and shaolin, i tinker alot, constantly looking to improve my system.

as far as benches, my shoulders feel great so im happy there, last 3-4 months well i just started benching again about that time, and i started at 80ibs (it was light but i needed to be careful with my shoulder) and hit 140x3 the other day so
Not trying to put you on the spot...just trying to get your feelings on this issue. But with where your recovery is, do you feel it is helping not staying on a strict, basic routine?
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Old 12-12-2009, 09:02 AM   #126
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Not trying to put you on the spot...just trying to get your feelings on this issue. But with where your recovery is, do you feel it is helping not staying on a strict, basic routine?
mentally yes, i need to switch things up to keep me sane

recovery wise again yes, by lifting like i do i get to listen to my body more, i just try to lift 2-3 days a week, and it seems to be working.
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Old 12-12-2009, 09:10 AM   #127
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mentally yes, i need to switch things up to keep me sane
This is the part that worries me. You're young, and I want to see you progress. Do you feel this hinders your progress?

Maybe you should consider a slow progressional format that has built in variety. You could do an AB or HLM with a good variety of exercises. And for exercises like the bench, your set/rep scheme could be:

Week 1: 130 x 5/5/5
Week 2: 130 x 6/5/5
Week 3: 130 x 6/6/5
Week 4: 130 x 6/6/6

Week 5: 135 x 5/5/5
Week 6: 135 x 6/5/5
Week 7: 135 x 6/6/5
Week 8: 135 x 6/6/6
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This is the part that worries me. You're young, and I want to see you progress. Do you feel this hinders your progress?

Maybe you should consider a slow progressional format that has built in variety. You could do an AB or HLM with a good variety of exercises. And for exercises like the bench, your set/rep scheme could be:

Week 1: 130 x 5/5/5
Week 2: 130 x 6/5/5
Week 3: 130 x 6/6/5
Week 4: 130 x 6/6/6

Week 5: 135 x 5/5/5
Week 6: 135 x 6/5/5
Week 7: 135 x 6/6/5
Week 8: 135 x 6/6/6
Actually im progressing fine, the main thing is i like to throw in a little switch up especially when im short on time (like 1 day of lifting in a week) personally im using an ab routine and it is working nicely, i hae no problems except that sometimes i need a bit more of a challenge, im starting to go cruise control
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Old 12-12-2009, 01:12 PM   #129
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What is your AB routine bro? I was reading your last 2 workouts and was trying to see how it was structured. You use certain exercises and set and reps?
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