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Old 08-23-2010, 05:51 PM   #11
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Anyone know what the general impact on bodily testosterone levels is for:

--A stand alone PH
--A moderate AAS cycle (Test, Dec, Dbol) with arimidex, etc.

I am wondering how dramatically a stand alone oral PH changes the test/estrogen ratio. This ratio is what a drug test looks for, is it not?
There are a few studies that label steroids "pharmacologically active". In other words what dose of the steroid causes suppression of natural testosterone. This is a quick part of an article I'm working on right now (not finished). It's in reference to deca's impact on natural testosterone levels:

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In other words how much needs to be administered to produce a physiological effect. A pharmacologically active dose of nandrolone suppresses natural testosterone (the physiological effect). In previous studies natural testosterone levels did not recover until nandrolone blood levels fell to ranges below 1.2ng/ml, and as far as .3ng/ml.
Now nandrolone is a bit more suppressive than testosterone as many people know. I think one could argue anytime you introduce an exogenous source of testosterone (ex. test, deca, bold, etc) you are no longer natural (since it suppresses your natural production of testosterone).

Having said that I think it depends how you define "natural". Just because it's illegal doesnt mean it's not natural either (although in general synthetics are illegal/prescription).
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btw, as little as 50mg's of nandrolone pinned IM only once can result in suppressed natural testosterone...
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There are a few studies that label steroids "pharmacologically active". In other words what dose of the steroid causes suppression of natural testosterone. This is a quick part of an article I'm working on right now (not finished). It's in reference to deca's impact on natural testosterone levels:



Now nandrolone is a bit more suppressive than testosterone as many people know. I think one could argue anytime you introduce an exogenous source of testosterone (ex. test, deca, bold, etc) you are no longer natural (since it suppresses your natural production of testosterone).

Having said that I think it depends how you define "natural". Just because it's illegal doesnt mean it's not natural either (although in general synthetics are illegal/prescription).
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btw, as little as 50mg's of nandrolone pinned IM only once can result in suppressed natural testosterone...

i knew youd be the man to answer this, so i left it alone for you, sir.
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