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Old 04-27-2014, 05:40 AM   #1
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When I write this. This is assuming a healthy individual.

No, I am not going to write up a big, RAH! RAH!.......you can do this, and its all in the mind, sort of post, like have done many times before.

Though it STILL IS ().

Most persons problems with diet are:

Between the mind (educated reaction, choices made) and one's human body biological response:


A huge part of motivation on a diet (and its close kin fitness activity), is taking the time to educate one's self on the human body from good and reputable source material, and learning how to "effectively" deal with some of your biological feed back the body gives, once a "sound diet plan is implemented".

Even reading material from well respected individuals, one can learn fairly quickly that even they can disagree (at times) on an approach on diet (even tailored specifically) to an individual.

However, there is a main theme between them, I want to convey.


The BEAST in the HEAD must be Wiser than the BEAST WITHIN

(Because it can be a battle of the wills)


Most reputable persons in diet and fitness would agree, that what one consumes in Protein, Carbohydrates, Fats, and Calories, regulates (up or down) powerful hormones, influences metabolic shifts (up or down), and the byproducts from these hormones, and metabolic shifts (etc), can affect how you feel psychologically, emotionally, and physically, etc, and can be as powerful as a consuming an external narcotic drug.

And, is "one" of the main reasons people fail so-called diets, have problems with motivation, energy, etc.

Your body is a walking pharmacy store. A pharmaceutical factory that can mix and match its natural drugs, attempting to obtain a balance, repair, rebuild; sometimes its efficient and sometimes its not. Sometimes its on par with your fitness goals, and sometimes it is not. It can effect your brain chemistry.

But, a piece of you is always unaffected, and must deliver---on time, like UPS Mail.

Yet, it is this powerful. You are literally are walking drug store, and these drugs can "vary in strength", "sometimes rather convincing", and "very influential", dependent on several personal factors.

But, sometimes the "prescription medications" the body writes itself isn't "necessarily" in its best interest. It can make you think resistance it is futile.

Let's take a look at this way. A person "assessed" their self as being overweight.

Implements a course of action (changes diet and activity). Let's say this person is extremely overweight (hypothetically). While you are in this change on diet and fitness and "assessing your progress", your body is "likewise assessing itself". The efficiency meter between your "assessment of progress" and the "body's unique assessment" (based on its design intention) can be at "odds" with one another, or in line with one another, based primarily on the body's prescription writing (based on its assessment) and ones dietary/fitness habits.

For example. The body assesses body fat is high (glucose stores, full). You assess body fat is high. You both are agreeable. You start a brand new diet trend to solicit weight loss. Lets assume, this is a traditional diet where it involves a traditional deficit of -500 calories, and macro nutrients are "normal" (so-to-speak).

Since the efficiency is high (again assuming healthy person) between you and the body, weight loss is going to be good (assuming deficit diet in place hypothetically). If the diet implemented contains a reasonable deficit, the bodies "feedback production" can be very low (high in positive low in negative), and for most tolerable. But, as time passes (assuming diet continues), body fat drops (as the body senses its house), the body will down regulate (up-regulate) certain hormones, down regulate its metabolic rate--and becomes more "efficient" in its burning of calories (an use of macro-nutrients), and it "seems" the leaner one gets the more powerful the body writes prescription medications to "compel" one to eat.

There are three elements at work here, working on the body prescription medication response: 1. Body weight is lowering (body's assessment trigger), 2. The body's adaptive element in response to lower calories (which some debate even exists, I believe it does, and it seems tougher on leaner persons than ones with higher body fat), 3. The biological responses to 1 and 2 (good and bad).

Additionally, if a persons is deficit dieting and associating a very low carbohydrate (macro nutrient) intake the "prescription medications" the body writes, and the hormones (and other feedback) released by the body "can" provide additional (and "sometimes" different) but powerful side effects. For example:

Loss of water (water retention can be reduced, and misunderstood as fat loss OR muscle gain by some fitness persons), nausea, light headed, dizziness, head aches, lethargy, lack of energy, depression, and lack of motivation, and so on. And the prescription medications written by the body, the hormones released (and lack thereof, etc, etc), are very powerful, and it can effect you physically, emotionally, and psychologically.

The degree of severity can vary per person (again assuming one is healthy), but in most cases (understanding exceptions), the feedback response to the lack of carbohydrates is short lived (but friggen powerful), and the length of these sort of symptoms can likewise vary in length.

If you are running a calorie deficit, and adjoining very low carbohydrates, it is imperative, that your proteins and fats are up to snuff.

Its important you drink water as well.

Additionally you do not "operate" in a MIND BLIND. In order to handle your biological feed back, you MUST (IMO) embark on a "personal quest" to combat this biological feed back.....that has very high odds in coming in order to "reduce the odds" of personal failure.

Sometimes one has to be a "hard @ass" on oneself to bring results. No one ever said this was going to be easy.

That box of tissue doesn't WORK.

You must be the diet CLERK

So bring your goal PERK by going BESERK

Be a self @SS today!

It WORKS.

Education, soaks up the cries for help. Not a box of fuggen tissue.

No matter how you shake and bake it, if you want to get lean (dependent on ones personal definition of what this lean is), there are side effects (and to a degree consequences) you are going to be required to accept when manipulating: Protein, Carbohydrates, Fats, and Calories. The degree of side effects can depend on the person........either accept them, or one will never get lean (or extremely lean--naturally).


Best wishes to all of you, each and every day. I wish you well on your personal goals and much success in your chosen path.

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Many say "a pound a week" as a guideline, but is this too aggressive for most people to maintain? Does it cut into perfomance too much?
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What's a weight loss timeframe you think is optimal for long-term success?
The answer to this, depends on the person. I know this does not answer the question directly, but it really just depends on the specific person's personality, his or her likes/dislikes, environmental variables (work, stress, family life, etc), starting position and specific goals, and the specific view on what their plan is "once the goal of weight loss" is reached". It is working these variances to such a personal degree that they apply enough of themselves to work with the "basic foundation" of calories, macros, training, watching their bodily response, and making a change or manipulation when or if necessary. For example, if hunger is an issue (which it often is, and is to be expected), the potential answer to this would be person-specific questions tailored to improving the situation, dependent on the answers given. In would be an injustice to your question to apply a general blanket, because what works for one, may not work for another. For example, I track nearly everything in OneNote, and have for many years, but for others it may or may not take such extreme tracking, but usually involves some sort of personally accepted monitoring practice by the person wanting to lose tissue.

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Many say "a pound a week" as a guideline, but is this too aggressive for most people to maintain? Does it cut into perfomance too much?
Again, this depends, on the person's starting position, and history to the point of assistance, and the person's personal variables (health, starting position, etc, etc.) One has to be careful with blanketing, with the vastly different person types out there in this world, and the issues involved.

Speaking only in "numeric terms", and using an average of 7 days for one week, and a -500c calorie deficit from a persons maintenance line, this brings a total of about 3500c calories in a deficit (in caloric numbers assuming person was diligent with diet). There are an "approximate" 3, 600c calories in one pound of fat; therefore, in numbers (emphasis) the deficit leans toward 1lb of fat loss for one week. For most people, who are overweight, with no health issues (etc, etc), I do not have a difficult time recommending this. A slower weight loss is recommended for a variety of different reasons, and not only for health reasons. However, let me stress that many times the numeric numbers may not match how the body actually responded (again, dependent on the person of subject). For example, a body builder at 9% leaning out to a poultry and VERY difficult body fat level of 4%, could take 12 or more weeks to obtain (dependent on several factors of course, and assuming natural). If you do the numbers, this is rather slow an agonizing, lol, but different factors are involved in this scenario though.

Peace and thank you for responding, I hope I answer the question.

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