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Old 09-09-2013, 09:30 PM   #11
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It is possible that your strength issues is a result of not eating enough. Diet effects strength. Period.
While I agree, we already know from his last thread that he's actually been gaining weight consistently. Remember, his goals at this point are aesthetic. He's using strength as a way to get a look, so pure strength itself isn't his actual aim.
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Perhaps it's a mental thing? Here are some things I can think of from my experience:

1) Lifting by yourself isn't for everyone. I tend to be antisocial in the gym, but I could never work out by myself all the time-too much time alone with my own thoughts.

2) Analysis by paralysis, bad thoughts dictating how you perform. It's not easy and sometimes you'll have to get really mad and aggressive to make sure you get a good workout in.

3) Maybe try lifting at a different time of the day like first thing in the morning? I personally feel very lethargic and tired at night no matter what.
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While I agree, we already know from his last thread that he's actually been gaining weight consistently. Remember, his goals at this point are aesthetic. He's using strength as a way to get a look, so pure strength itself isn't his actual aim.
Quite frankly i don't think it matters whether his goals are aesthetics or not. He is trying to gain muscle. An effective tool for gaining muscle (especially as a beginner) is strength progression.
Second, whether his goal is "pure strength" (as opposed to impure strength?) Or not,a fall off in strength levels can and should be used as an indicator of a potential problem.
And while it is not the only potential cause, not eating enough could maybe be the problem. It is just as likely as any of the other causes that have been brought up.
Your logic is flawed if you believe someone with a goal of mass gain shouldn't be concerned with strength and that a stall in strength gains can't be an indicator of potential issues that could also effect mass gains.
On top of that his question in this thread is directly concerning strength, so I don't understand why you felt the need to single me out and act as if my advice to him regarding strength is not relevant.
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I won't try to give you advice, partly because there are guys here who already have, or could, who also happen to know a gazillion times more about all this than I do.

But what I can do, and will, is offer an anecdote...


What I've found to be the case (and I've only just recently fully realised this! ) is that when I'm very tired, or highly stressed (or have been within the last 24-48 hours, say), or when I haven't eaten enough (and yeah, sometimes it's difficult to get to grips with this, when you're not used to eating "a lot" - I know!) then the chances are, I'm going to feel weak, or the weights are going to feel heavier than they normally would, etc.

Likewise, when I - for a while - ate a lot less protein per day. Not good.

So, that pretty much just echoes/confirms what BtB posted upthread (surprise! ) but it is genuinely what I have discovered, with an open mind, as I always try to have.
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Quite frankly i don't think it matters whether his goals are aesthetics or not. He is trying to gain muscle. An effective tool for gaining muscle (especially as a beginner) is strength progression.
Second, whether his goal is "pure strength" (as opposed to impure strength?) Or not,a fall off in strength levels can and should be used as an indicator of a potential problem.
And while it is not the only potential cause, not eating enough could maybe be the problem. It is just as likely as any of the other causes that have been brought up.
Your logic is flawed if you believe someone with a goal of mass gain shouldn't be concerned with strength and that a stall in strength gains can't be an indicator of potential issues that could also effect mass gains.
On top of that his question in this thread is directly concerning strength, so I don't understand why you felt the need to single me out and act as if my advice to him regarding strength is not relevant.
His goal isn't just mass gain. He wants to build muscle while avoiding adding fat as much as possible. That changes things, especially when you consider that he's already gaining weight consistently.

And while I appreciate your condescending tone in spite of the fact that I made it quite obvious just what I meant, It doesn't change the fact the our friend here is trying to avoid gaining fat. I'm NOT going to suggest eating more food when he's already gaining weight, because that's a strong indication that lack of food is not the key issue, especially when we've already uncovered that he just started college. We also know from his last thread that he's eating a very high quality diet, so a simple lack of calories wouldn't account for his sudden change in strength levels.
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Linden, this happens to you often if I remember correctly. It's just my opinion, but I don't think your body likes jumps in intensity. In other words, when you add weight to an exercise then your reps crash. I'd try a rep progression scheme before you add weight to the bar and see if that works better for you.

An example:

Week 1-
5 reps @ 50% (1st warm up)
5 reps @ 75% (2nd warm up)
5 reps @ 85% (3rd warm up)
5 reps @ 100% (1st work set)
5 reps @ 100% (2nd work set)

Week 2-
5 reps @ 50% (1st warm up)
5 reps @ 75% (2nd warm up)
5 reps @ 85% (3rd warm up)
5 reps @ 100% (1st work set)
6 reps @ 100% (2nd work set)

Week 3-
5 reps @ 50% (1st warm up)
5 reps @ 75% (2nd warm up)
5 reps @ 85% (3rd warm up)
6 reps @ 100% (1st work set)
6 reps @ 100% (2nd work set)

Week 4-
5 reps @ 50% (1st warm up)
5 reps @ 75% (2nd warm up)
5 reps @ 85% (3rd warm up)
6 reps @ 100% (1st work set)
7 reps @ 100% (2nd work set)

Week 5-
5 reps @ 50% (1st warm up)
5 reps @ 75% (2nd warm up)
5 reps @ 85% (3rd warm up)
7 reps @ 100% (1st work set)
7 reps @ 100% (2nd work set)

Week 6-
5 reps @ 50% (1st warm up)
5 reps @ 75% (2nd warm up)
5 reps @ 85% (3rd warm up)
7 reps @ 100% (1st work set)
8 reps @ 100% (2nd work set)

Week 7-
5 reps @ 50% (1st warm up)
5 reps @ 75% (2nd warm up)
5 reps @ 85% (3rd warm up)
8 reps @ 100% (1st work set)
8 reps @ 100% (2nd work set)

Week 8-
Add 10 lbs to the lift and start over. . .
5 reps @ 50% (1st warm up)
5 reps @ 75% (2nd warm up)
5 reps @ 85% (3rd warm up)
5 reps @ 100% (1st work set)
5 reps @ 100% (2nd work set)

There are many more forms of rep progression, but this one will fit right into what you are currently doing.
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Linden, this happens to you often if I remember correctly. It's just my opinion, but I don't think your body likes jumps in intensity. In other words, when you add weight to an exercise then your reps crash. I'd try a rep progression scheme before you add weight to the bar and see if that works better for you.

An example:

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There are many more forms of rep progression, but this one will fit right into what you are currently doing.
OffRoad brings up a good point and gives you a very detailed set-up, in the post above.

You haven't logged a workout, at least not on the forum, since 27 July, and people have no way of knowing how fast (or not) you're trying to progress, nor what sort of progression scheme you are using.

I realise, at one point, you didn't log your sessions because you said they were pretty much the same and nothing had altered so there was little point in logging but if you look at a good number of logs, you'll see that people still log those workouts, regardless.

When asking for advice, people have to have as many pieces of the puzzle as possible, in order to give tailored advice.



For example, if I were to come on the forum and say..."Hey guys, my KB press has stalled, what do you suggest?" The very first reply that I would expect is "Well, what are you doing at the moment?" I'd expect questions like that purely because I do not place a lot of info in my log, so people would have nothing on which to base any advice, should I ask for it.

To all intents and purposes, nobody on the forum really knows how your lifting has been going since your last log entry of 27 July...yes, you could say "It's been going well" but that isn't the sort of information that is helpful, it has to be more detailed in order to get the best advice suited to your needs.

People will look at logs and say..."aha, they did that there...but they seem to have jumped too much increment wise, just there..." then they will get back to the person requesting the advice and be able to give more meaningful and practical solutions but only if they're able to see what you are doing in terms of workouts, on a regular basis.
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His goal isn't just mass gain. He wants to build muscle while avoiding adding fat as much as possible. That changes things, especially when you consider that he's already gaining weight consistently.

And while I appreciate your condescending tone in spite of the fact that I made it quite obvious just what I meant, It doesn't change the fact the our friend here is trying to avoid gaining fat. I'm NOT going to suggest eating more food when he's already gaining weight, because that's a strong indication that lack of food is not the key issue, especially when we've already uncovered that he just started college. We also know from his last thread that he's eating a very high quality diet, so a simple lack of calories wouldn't account for his sudden change in strength levels.
Suggesting that food might possibly be an issue is not bad advice. And it was simply my input on the manner, i in no way implied it was an end all be all or better advice than what anyone else has given. I gave him advice, you gave yours, just like so many other's did in this thread. However you felt the need to try to call me out for my advice and I think that was a dick move. If you think your advice is better give it and be done with it.
I didn't ask you to agree with me, what I told him was my opinion. Really who are you to call me out for giving an opinion and trying to help?
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Perhaps it's a mental thing? Here are some things I can think of from my experience:

1) Lifting by yourself isn't for everyone. I tend to be antisocial in the gym, but I could never work out by myself all the time-too much time alone with my own thoughts.

2) Analysis by paralysis, bad thoughts dictating how you perform. It's not easy and sometimes you'll have to get really mad and aggressive to make sure you get a good workout in.

3) Maybe try lifting at a different time of the day like first thing in the morning? I personally feel very lethargic and tired at night no matter what.


I think thats exactly what it was actually.

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