Muscle and Brawn Forums
 

Go Back   Muscle and Brawn Forums > Supplements, Nutrition & Diet > Nutrition, Diet and Supplements
Mark Forums Read
Register Articles Members List Search Today's Posts

Notices

Nutrition, Diet and Supplements Discuss nutrition, diet, cutting and weight loss. Supplement discussions as well.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 08-21-2013, 11:26 PM   #11
Bronco
Cool Guy
Brawn
Points: 1,448, Level: 21 Points: 1,448, Level: 21 Points: 1,448, Level: 21
Activity: 2% Activity: 2% Activity: 2%
 
Bronco's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: USA
Posts: 171
Training Exp: 2
Training Type: Powerlifting
Fav Supp: Chicken
Reputation: 10202
Bronco is a dedicated contributorBronco is a dedicated contributorBronco is a dedicated contributorBronco is a dedicated contributorBronco is a dedicated contributorBronco is a dedicated contributorBronco is a dedicated contributorBronco is a dedicated contributorBronco is a dedicated contributorBronco is a dedicated contributorBronco is a dedicated contributor
Default

i try to eat "clean" but not that hard, honestly.
i figure i can just wipe the bbq sauce off my face and lick my fingers clean.
no big deal.
Bronco is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old 08-22-2013, 01:43 AM   #12
Squatter
Squatatron
Max Brawn
Points: 27,624, Level: 98 Points: 27,624, Level: 98 Points: 27,624, Level: 98
Activity: 99% Activity: 99% Activity: 99%
 
Squatter's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: JimGym/CrewGym
Posts: 10,618
Training Exp: 20 Years
Training Type: Powerbuilding
Fav Exercise: Squat & Deadlift
Fav Supp: Collagen
Reputation: 755126
Squatter is one with Crom!Squatter is one with Crom!Squatter is one with Crom!Squatter is one with Crom!Squatter is one with Crom!Squatter is one with Crom!Squatter is one with Crom!Squatter is one with Crom!Squatter is one with Crom!Squatter is one with Crom!Squatter is one with Crom!
Default

I say bullshit Steve. Yes, there are many definitions of clean eating. Mine is: Eating foods that are in their most natural state. I have been doing this for 10 years now and have medical proof it worked for me. Last year I was tested by an internal medicine specialist and was told I was the healthiest person tested ever. He said he wished he had my health. Imagine being told you have set the new standard in your country.

I think a lot of people argue about clean healthful eating because itt is very hard to do. I even did it on a 50 lb bulk.
__________________
My Favorite Part Of Lifting Is Having The Opportunity
Meet PR's: (May 2014) Raw Natural
Squat 475 lbs
Bench: 286 lbs
Deadlift: 501 lbs
Total: 1262 lbs
Age: 50

Gym PR's:
Squat: 495 lbs
Bench: 300 lbs
Deadlift: 520 lbs
Total: 1315 Lbs
Age 50
Squatter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2013, 02:19 AM   #13
Dray
Senior Member
Max Brawn
Points: 10,100, Level: 67 Points: 10,100, Level: 67 Points: 10,100, Level: 67
Activity: 6% Activity: 6% Activity: 6%
 

Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: tldu
Posts: 4,126
Training Type: Fullbody
Fav Exercise: bench press
Reputation: 245355
Dray is a master memberDray is a master memberDray is a master memberDray is a master memberDray is a master memberDray is a master memberDray is a master memberDray is a master memberDray is a master memberDray is a master memberDray is a master member
Default

Regarding the article itself... it's just the same old bullcrap, slapped together as a slightly differently polished turd.

Oh, and pathologising clean eating, as an actual disorder? Fark you, you sensationalist, auto-parroting halfwit.

Jeebus. The irony of these, to coin a term, "sheeple"... is amusing.
__________________
My training log
Dray is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2013, 05:37 AM   #14
Tannhauser
Senior Member
Max Brawn
Points: 138,239, Level: 100 Points: 138,239, Level: 100 Points: 138,239, Level: 100
Activity: 28% Activity: 28% Activity: 28%
 
Tannhauser's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: UK
Posts: 3,154
Training Exp: 30+
Training Type: Powerlifting
Fav Exercise: Front squat
Fav Supp: Creatine. C'est tout.
Reputation: 355223
Tannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite member
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Squatter View Post
Mine is: Eating foods that are in their most natural state. I have been doing this for 10 years now and have medical proof it worked for me. Last year I was tested by an internal medicine specialist and was told I was the healthiest person tested ever. He said he wished he had my health. Imagine being told you have set the new standard in your country.
But Jim, with the greatest respect, you don't have 'medical proof' that eating clean worked at all.

You have medical proof that you're super-healthy (and it must be fantastic to hear that!). You don't have medical proof that this is the result of your diet. There could be any number of reasons for your super-healthiness. You might feel very strongly that the diet is responsible for your health, but you can't know it.

Quite often someone has all sorts of health problems for years, makes some sort of change (e.g. cutting out food X) and starts feeling better. They then naturally assume that the change caused the improvement. One problem with this assumption is that the body can and does heal various problems on its own, and at unpredictable intervals. The second is that people rarely make a single change in their lifestyle at once. For example, they change their diet, and lose weight and change their training andfeel more positive because they're making changes. And so on.

An example of the body sorting itself out: when I was in my mid 20s, I had a fall. It was only about four feet, but I landed ona flat piece of rock. I hurt my knee and hip, but weirdly, after they recovered, I had arthritis-like symptoms everywhere. Some days I could barely straighten my fingers. This went on for months. It was very difficult to source any medical help because I was travelling through India and South East Asia. Eventually, it disappeared, and pretty quickly. I've no idea to this day how a fall can cause that or why the symptoms went. But supposing I had had the internet in those days, googled my symptoms, and 'discovered' it was all caused by eating too little XYZ or too much ABC, or that I could 'cure' it by wearing a copper bracelet. If I had made a particular change and then slowly got better, I'm sure for the rest of my life I would have been convinced that it was the change that improved my health.

The point of my long-winded post is that we have to be really careful about using 'it worked for me' statements as evidence. If you changed your diet and good things started happeneing, then (a) excellent, good for you and (b) maybe it was down to the diet. But that's a long way from proof.
__________________
Lifetime PRs

Powerlifts: 500/363/573 @ 220 belt only
front squat: 403
dips: bodyweight + 176 x 4
military press: 232

Last edited by Tannhauser; 08-22-2013 at 05:57 AM. Reason: for sense
Tannhauser is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2013, 05:53 AM   #15
Tannhauser
Senior Member
Max Brawn
Points: 138,239, Level: 100 Points: 138,239, Level: 100 Points: 138,239, Level: 100
Activity: 28% Activity: 28% Activity: 28%
 
Tannhauser's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: UK
Posts: 3,154
Training Exp: 30+
Training Type: Powerlifting
Fav Exercise: Front squat
Fav Supp: Creatine. C'est tout.
Reputation: 355223
Tannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite member
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dray View Post
Oh, and pathologising clean eating, as an actual disorder? Fark you, you sensationalist, auto-parroting halfwit.
You don't think that some people's obsessive avoidance of killer-food type X gets a bit on the nutty side?

Overall, though, I do think that calling clean eating a pathology is a getting carried away with the argument. The definition would be based on an irrational avoidance of particular foodstuffs. But if someone really believes even small quantities of a particular food are going to damage his health (because he read it on Naturalnews )then it would be completely rational to avoid those foods.

I think the author fails to distinguish between irrational and ill-informed.
__________________
Lifetime PRs

Powerlifts: 500/363/573 @ 220 belt only
front squat: 403
dips: bodyweight + 176 x 4
military press: 232
Tannhauser is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2013, 09:26 AM   #16
_J_
Chalk Rebel
Uber Brawn
Points: 3,253, Level: 35 Points: 3,253, Level: 35 Points: 3,253, Level: 35
Activity: 1% Activity: 1% Activity: 1%
 

Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: East Texas
Posts: 440
Training Exp: 4
Training Type: Powerbuilding
Fav Exercise: Deadlifts
Fav Supp: Whole Milk
Reputation: 31161
_J_ is a lifting machine_J_ is a lifting machine_J_ is a lifting machine_J_ is a lifting machine_J_ is a lifting machine_J_ is a lifting machine_J_ is a lifting machine_J_ is a lifting machine_J_ is a lifting machine_J_ is a lifting machine_J_ is a lifting machine
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by afraziaaaa View Post
I say, BACON!
Can I get an Amen! BACON!
_J_ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2013, 09:43 AM   #17
SeventySeven
Senior Member
Max Brawn
Points: 5,586, Level: 48 Points: 5,586, Level: 48 Points: 5,586, Level: 48
Activity: 3% Activity: 3% Activity: 3%
 
SeventySeven's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 1,184
Training Exp: 1 year+
Training Type: Powerbuilding
Fav Exercise: Deadlift
Fav Supp: Xtend
Reputation: 38396
SeventySeven is a lifting machineSeventySeven is a lifting machineSeventySeven is a lifting machineSeventySeven is a lifting machineSeventySeven is a lifting machineSeventySeven is a lifting machineSeventySeven is a lifting machineSeventySeven is a lifting machineSeventySeven is a lifting machineSeventySeven is a lifting machineSeventySeven is a lifting machine
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dray View Post
Regarding the article itself... it's just the same old bullcrap, slapped together as a slightly differently polished turd.

Oh, and pathologising clean eating, as an actual disorder? Fark you, you sensationalist, auto-parroting halfwit.

Jeebus. The irony of these, to coin a term, "sheeple"... is amusing.
It can be a disorder. People force themselves to eat bland food while constantly craving "tasty" food. Eventually they break and binge eat like crazy, which can have a negative effect of metabolic capacity. I think the alternative of just being flexible and tracking your food instead of obsessing over "clean" and "dirty" foods is a much better alternative for overall health. The article says whole foods, micros and fibre are still important, they aren't giving you a license to eat whatever you want.

my 2 cents,.
__________________
You cannot be physically strong if you are mentally weak.
SeventySeven is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2013, 12:07 PM   #18
Squatter
Squatatron
Max Brawn
Points: 27,624, Level: 98 Points: 27,624, Level: 98 Points: 27,624, Level: 98
Activity: 99% Activity: 99% Activity: 99%
 
Squatter's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: JimGym/CrewGym
Posts: 10,618
Training Exp: 20 Years
Training Type: Powerbuilding
Fav Exercise: Squat & Deadlift
Fav Supp: Collagen
Reputation: 755126
Squatter is one with Crom!Squatter is one with Crom!Squatter is one with Crom!Squatter is one with Crom!Squatter is one with Crom!Squatter is one with Crom!Squatter is one with Crom!Squatter is one with Crom!Squatter is one with Crom!Squatter is one with Crom!Squatter is one with Crom!
Default

It would be fair to say my proof is circumstantial, but it's overwhelming. If someone wants to call my adherence to my strict diet as a disorder, that's fine. My disorder also saved my eyesight and has virtually wiped out myy lower back arthritis. Again, circumstantial. However, ii have now stumped 3 eye surgeons, 2 sports medicine docs, and an internal medicine specialist. They have all told me there're is no medical treatment or reason for what has happened. The only changes I made were dietary. I do not know exactly which dietary change or supplement is mainly responsible, but to me it's common sense that it is some combination.

Genetics is not responsible as my family history is one of poor and failing health.

All the Docs have told me now to not change a thing now and to keep doing what I am doing. I do occasionally have a cheat, and ii certainly do not advocate people never should enjoy or indulge in something they love.

You are what you eat.
__________________
My Favorite Part Of Lifting Is Having The Opportunity
Meet PR's: (May 2014) Raw Natural
Squat 475 lbs
Bench: 286 lbs
Deadlift: 501 lbs
Total: 1262 lbs
Age: 50

Gym PR's:
Squat: 495 lbs
Bench: 300 lbs
Deadlift: 520 lbs
Total: 1315 Lbs
Age 50
Squatter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2013, 12:50 PM   #19
Tannhauser
Senior Member
Max Brawn
Points: 138,239, Level: 100 Points: 138,239, Level: 100 Points: 138,239, Level: 100
Activity: 28% Activity: 28% Activity: 28%
 
Tannhauser's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: UK
Posts: 3,154
Training Exp: 30+
Training Type: Powerlifting
Fav Exercise: Front squat
Fav Supp: Creatine. C'est tout.
Reputation: 355223
Tannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite member
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Squatter View Post
It would be fair to say my proof is circumstantial, but it's overwhelming. If someone wants to call my adherence to my strict diet as a disorder, that's fine. My disorder also saved my eyesight and has virtually wiped out myy lower back arthritis. Again, circumstantial. However, ii have now stumped 3 eye surgeons, 2 sports medicine docs, and an internal medicine specialist. They have all told me there're is no medical treatment or reason for what has happened. The only changes I made were dietary. I do not know exactly which dietary change or supplement is mainly responsible, but to me it's common sense that it is some combination.

Genetics is not responsible as my family history is one of poor and failing health.

All the Docs have told me now to not change a thing now and to keep doing what I am doing. I do occasionally have a cheat, and ii certainly do not advocate people never should enjoy or indulge in something they love.

You are what you eat.
Well, more power to you. And yes, if went on a particular diet and you started improving at the same time, of course it would be nuts to change anything.

Long may you squat.
__________________
Lifetime PRs

Powerlifts: 500/363/573 @ 220 belt only
front squat: 403
dips: bodyweight + 176 x 4
military press: 232
Tannhauser is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Clean eating titus_teen Nutrition, Diet and Supplements 4 02-07-2012 09:41 PM
What is clean eating to you? MikeC Nutrition, Diet and Supplements 18 11-27-2011 10:47 AM
Cholesterol Myth BendtheBar Nutrition, Diet and Supplements 1 11-18-2011 04:49 AM
Squat Myth BendtheBar General Fitness & Health 12 09-08-2011 08:44 AM
Muscle Confusion Myth BendtheBar Articles 7 03-31-2011 08:25 AM

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:47 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.