Muscle and Brawn Forums
 

Go Back   Muscle and Brawn Forums > Supplements, Nutrition & Diet > Nutrition, Diet and Supplements > Low Carb & Paleo Diet
Mark Forums Read
Register Articles Members List Search Today's Posts

Notices

Low Carb & Paleo Diet A forum to discuss low carb and Paleo diet easting approaches.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 06-01-2013, 06:55 PM   #1
Trevor Lane
I am a VIKING!
Max Brawn
Points: 10,591, Level: 68 Points: 10,591, Level: 68 Points: 10,591, Level: 68
Activity: 13% Activity: 13% Activity: 13%
 
Trevor Lane's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
Posts: 2,476
Training Exp: A few
Training Type: Wendler 531
Fav Exercise: Deadlift
Fav Supp: T-Bomb II
Reputation: 57912
Trevor Lane is a lifting beastTrevor Lane is a lifting beastTrevor Lane is a lifting beastTrevor Lane is a lifting beastTrevor Lane is a lifting beastTrevor Lane is a lifting beastTrevor Lane is a lifting beastTrevor Lane is a lifting beastTrevor Lane is a lifting beastTrevor Lane is a lifting beastTrevor Lane is a lifting beast
Default Saturated fat does not cause heart disease!

Heart surgeon speaks out on what really causes heart disease -- Health & Wellness -- Sott.net

A courageous doc finally says what most of us know.
Trevor Lane is online now   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old 06-01-2013, 07:54 PM   #2
glwanabe
Senior Member
Max Brawn
Points: 15,106, Level: 79 Points: 15,106, Level: 79 Points: 15,106, Level: 79
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 

Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 5,267
Reputation: 148251
glwanabe is a master memberglwanabe is a master memberglwanabe is a master memberglwanabe is a master memberglwanabe is a master memberglwanabe is a master memberglwanabe is a master memberglwanabe is a master memberglwanabe is a master memberglwanabe is a master memberglwanabe is a master member
Default

I'll get back to this when I have the time.

However,

You mean wheat isn't the super food that is being marketed as the cure for hunger in the world and passed on to billions as a way to help end starvation?

Wheat is the sawdust of the food kingdom.
glwanabe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-01-2013, 09:30 PM   #3
bamazav
Bigger, Stronger, BAMA!
Max Brawn
Points: 26,424, Level: 97 Points: 26,424, Level: 97 Points: 26,424, Level: 97
Activity: 7% Activity: 7% Activity: 7%
 
bamazav's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Virginia Beach, VA
Posts: 4,934
Training Exp: 5
Training Type: ARGH!!!
Fav Exercise: Squats
Fav Supp: Deadlifts
Reputation: 222686
bamazav is a master memberbamazav is a master memberbamazav is a master memberbamazav is a master memberbamazav is a master memberbamazav is a master memberbamazav is a master memberbamazav is a master memberbamazav is a master memberbamazav is a master memberbamazav is a master member
Default

Good Article/letter. Just glad I didn't have to go through years and years of school and 30 years of surgery to reach the same conclusion.
__________________
David, Husband, Father, Pastor
(Yasen Miroslav Zavadil)

Meet Maxes: Gym Maxes:
Squat 308 315
Bench 176 185 This WILL change!
Deadlift 408 375

Shooting for a 1000+ total for next meet, spring/summer 2015. (see quote below)

"If there is nothing you can improve on, your standards are too low!" - BAMA Strength Coach Scott Cochran

1Co 9:27 But I discipline my body and keep it under control, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified
bamazav is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-02-2013, 05:33 AM   #4
Tannhauser
Senior Member
Max Brawn
Points: 138,239, Level: 100 Points: 138,239, Level: 100 Points: 138,239, Level: 100
Activity: 28% Activity: 28% Activity: 28%
 
Tannhauser's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: UK
Posts: 3,036
Training Exp: 30+
Training Type: Powerlifting
Fav Exercise: Front squat
Fav Supp: Creatine. C'est tout.
Reputation: 342484
Tannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite member
Default

Doubtless the establishment was trying to silence him when his license was revoked for malpractice:

http://www.casewatch.org/board/med/l...order_2008.pdf

Revoking the license does not seem to be on the basis of one isolated incident:

Quote:
'Dr Lundell has a ten year disciplinary history with the board. Prior PACE evaluations, additional CME on record-keeping, and probation have not helped him avoid the similar acts of professional misconduct that were found in this case.'
Normally I would argue that none of the above has any bearing on the quality of his argument. However, in this case, part of his evidence rests on his testimony as a heart surgeon, and so anything which challenges that credibility needs to be taken into account.
__________________
Lifetime PRs

Powerlifts: 500/363/573 @ 220 belt only
front squat: 403
dips: bodyweight + 176 x 4
military press: 232
Tannhauser is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-02-2013, 05:41 AM   #5
Tannhauser
Senior Member
Max Brawn
Points: 138,239, Level: 100 Points: 138,239, Level: 100 Points: 138,239, Level: 100
Activity: 28% Activity: 28% Activity: 28%
 
Tannhauser's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: UK
Posts: 3,036
Training Exp: 30+
Training Type: Powerlifting
Fav Exercise: Front squat
Fav Supp: Creatine. C'est tout.
Reputation: 342484
Tannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite member
Default

Just to add, here's a link to 'The National Council Against Health Fraud' website (appears to be a sort of offshoot of Quackwatch, and therefore firmly in the enemy camp as far as high-fat enthusiasts go).

Consumer Health Digest, September 22, 2011

Quote:
De-licensed surgeon peddling questionable theories. Dwight C. Lundell, M.D., who lost his Arizona medical license in 2008, has been promoting books that clash with scientific knowledge of health disease and prevention. His central premise is coronary heart disease is caused by inflammation and that lowering cholesterol levels will not lower the risk of heart attacks or strokes. Instead, he advocates a high-protein, low-carbohydrate diet, low-dose aspirin, and fish oil and conjugated linoleic acid supplements for everyone. Lundell's offerings are promoted with the statement that he has performed more than 5,000 operations during 25 years of cardiothoracic surgical practice. But they fail to mention that between 2000 and 2008, he was subjected to five regulatory actions by the Arizona Medical Board and in 2004 he was also convicted of wilful failure to file federal income tax returns for the years 1992 though 1996.

From 2007 through May 2010, Lundell was listed as an advisor to NourishLife, a company that markets vitamins, fish oil supplements, and conjugated linoleic acid supplements as "pharmaceutical grade" products claimed to help children with speech problems. The Truth About Heart Disease Web site, which promotes his book, The Great Cholesterol Lie, invites people to become "members" by paying $47, $77, or $245 per month for access to additional information. The highest membership category is said to include access to private consultations with Lundell, but the site is not currently taking new members. Quackwatch has additional information about Lundell's background and activities.
Again, none of this in itself discredits his arguments, but it's always good to know the background of people offering health advice, and any potential conflicts of interest.
__________________
Lifetime PRs

Powerlifts: 500/363/573 @ 220 belt only
front squat: 403
dips: bodyweight + 176 x 4
military press: 232
Tannhauser is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-02-2013, 06:25 AM   #6
fenrisulfr
Peanut Butter Member
Max Brawn
Points: 10,634, Level: 68 Points: 10,634, Level: 68 Points: 10,634, Level: 68
Activity: 25% Activity: 25% Activity: 25%
 
fenrisulfr's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Ohio
Posts: 3,898
Training Exp: 4
Training Type: Powerlifting
Fav Exercise: Deadlift
Fav Supp: Chicken breast
Reputation: 353261
fenrisulfr is an elite memberfenrisulfr is an elite memberfenrisulfr is an elite memberfenrisulfr is an elite memberfenrisulfr is an elite memberfenrisulfr is an elite memberfenrisulfr is an elite memberfenrisulfr is an elite memberfenrisulfr is an elite memberfenrisulfr is an elite memberfenrisulfr is an elite member
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by glwanabe View Post
Wheat is the sawdust of the food kingdom.
I almost spit my coffee out reading this.
fenrisulfr is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2013, 02:43 PM   #7
Trevor Lane
I am a VIKING!
Max Brawn
Points: 10,591, Level: 68 Points: 10,591, Level: 68 Points: 10,591, Level: 68
Activity: 13% Activity: 13% Activity: 13%
 
Trevor Lane's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
Posts: 2,476
Training Exp: A few
Training Type: Wendler 531
Fav Exercise: Deadlift
Fav Supp: T-Bomb II
Reputation: 57912
Trevor Lane is a lifting beastTrevor Lane is a lifting beastTrevor Lane is a lifting beastTrevor Lane is a lifting beastTrevor Lane is a lifting beastTrevor Lane is a lifting beastTrevor Lane is a lifting beastTrevor Lane is a lifting beastTrevor Lane is a lifting beastTrevor Lane is a lifting beastTrevor Lane is a lifting beast
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tannhauser View Post
Just to add, here's a link to 'The National Council Against Health Fraud' website (appears to be a sort of offshoot of Quackwatch, and therefore firmly in the enemy camp as far as high-fat enthusiasts go).

Consumer Health Digest, September 22, 2011



Again, none of this in itself discredits his arguments, but it's always good to know the background of people offering health advice, and any potential conflicts of interest.
As he himself states, disagreeing with the establishment often results in being discredited and even accused of malpractice. I would venture to guess that a more appropriate name for the "Council Against Health Fraud" could easily be renamed the "Council to Punish Doctors who Don't Tow the AMA/FDA/USDA Line."
Trevor Lane is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2013, 03:08 PM   #8
Tannhauser
Senior Member
Max Brawn
Points: 138,239, Level: 100 Points: 138,239, Level: 100 Points: 138,239, Level: 100
Activity: 28% Activity: 28% Activity: 28%
 
Tannhauser's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: UK
Posts: 3,036
Training Exp: 30+
Training Type: Powerlifting
Fav Exercise: Front squat
Fav Supp: Creatine. C'est tout.
Reputation: 342484
Tannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite memberTannhauser is an elite member
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Trevor Lane View Post
As he himself states, disagreeing with the establishment often results in being discredited and even accused of malpractice. I would venture to guess that a more appropriate name for the "Council Against Health Fraud" could easily be renamed the "Council to Punish Doctors who Don't Tow the AMA/FDA/USDA Line."
Well, you may be right Trevor, but bear in mind that's the line that every one in his position spins. And not every guy who 'fights the system' is a visionary who is being punished for his beliefs. Some of them are incompetent, frauds, or just plain wrong.

To give you an example, there was a documentary on TV here last night about a doctor in the US offering a unique cancer treatment. He claims it works, but the bulk of the evidence is against him. Families are paying $100,000 for treatments for their kids, and there's only very limited evidence that they do anything other than give massive side effects.

He too claims he is persecuted by the establishment for speaking out. Now Dr Lundell may not be the same sort of character at all, but the point is it's standard practice to play the persecution by the authorities card.

I don't think anyone would have their license revoked for talking about different dietary practices...in my reading of the pdf I posted it seems to be directly to do with persistent lack of appropriate care of patients, resulting in at least one death.
__________________
Lifetime PRs

Powerlifts: 500/363/573 @ 220 belt only
front squat: 403
dips: bodyweight + 176 x 4
military press: 232
Tannhauser is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Carnitine and Heart Disease BendtheBar Nutrition, Diet and Supplements 6 04-12-2013 11:01 PM
Saturated Fat And Cardiovascular Disease BendtheBar Nutrition, Diet and Supplements 0 01-29-2013 09:44 AM
Heart Disease-A Timeline of Where we went wrong austin.j.taylor Powerlifting & Strength Training 4 09-18-2012 04:19 PM
dietary saturated fat Goat General Board 19 06-30-2012 04:27 PM
Do saturated fats cause heart problems or carbs? buZZkiLL Nutrition, Diet and Supplements 1 01-31-2010 09:40 PM

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:14 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.