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Old 04-04-2012, 01:34 PM   #11
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I think it meant to be "apart from" like not part of it
Ah, I missed the nuance. Now that opens up another question...

Does the poster think bouncing has value?
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Old 04-04-2012, 01:36 PM   #12
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I think hes a great coach and I wish I would have had something like Starting Strength and Practical Programming back in the eighties. We were busy copying Arnold's workouts and doing 60 sets for biceps. He is very opinionated but if Bill Starr taught you then you will definitely get my attention.
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Old 04-04-2012, 01:39 PM   #13
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The "look down" while squatting principle is questionable, .
I don't mind this as long as a lifter is driving their head/the bar up. BUT, many times when I see a novice Rippetoe squatter on Youtube, they are driving the hips up while the head stays down, turning the squat into a good morning.

Hips must drive up, but so must the head and bar. You don't drive the hips up and leave the head down. It is possible to look down and drive the head up.

I think with proper instruction novices can get this right. I can't fault Rippetoe for this. People focus on the eyes down thing alone. You must drive the bar/shoulders/head up too.
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Old 04-04-2012, 01:53 PM   #14
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Here you can see what I mean. The focus is on eyes down, but the head stays down during the squat, elbows flared back, back not tight, etc. No disrespect to the guy in the video, as he's working on things. Merely posting to say I see a share of Rippetoe type squatters making these same mistakes.

That head has to come up, even if it's looking down. And a lot of times when guys look down they get lazy and leave their elbows way back, and don't tighten their upper backs and grip the bar hard.

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I squat high bar. Always have, always will.

Feels natural and I use it.
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It's funny that this post appeared, because I just started re-reading starting strength this weekend.

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Ah, I missed the nuance. Now that opens up another question...

Does the poster think bouncing has value?
Not sure about the poster, but I believe the only "bounce" Rippetoe refers to is the rebound effect of the muscles at the bottom of the movement. Same thing with Squats. At least that's how I understand it in my simple mind.
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I squat high bar. Always have, always will.

Feels natural and I use it.
I am of the undestanding that while Rip obviously feels that low bar is better for beginners, he is not at all anti high bar. He does say it's harder (not sure whether I agree or not) because it requires a more upright torso position, but he flat out recommends it for lifters if it is either more comfortable or you are an experienced lifter looking to change it up.

So both the bounce thing and the High bar squat references are, to my understanding, incorrect representations of Rippetoe's teaching/opinons.
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Old 04-04-2012, 03:03 PM   #18
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I am of the undestanding that while Rip obviously feels that low bar is better for beginners, he is not at all anti high bar.
I'm sure you're right. I lose more info than I retain. I can't imagine Rippetoe being back or white on certain issues like this, for all lifters, at all times, but perhaps I am wrong.

Squats...I bounce out of the hole on heavy squats. Always will, if I can.
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I'm sure you're right. I lose more info than I retain. I can't imagine Rippetoe being back or white on certain issues like this, for all lifters, at all times, but perhaps I am wrong.

Squats...I bounce out of the hole on heavy squats. Always will, if I can.
I don't think he is as black and white as his fan boys make him out to be. They take one quote from his forum or somewhere else online, completely remove it from any context and run with it as it is gold.
Like most lifters with actual experience, I believe Rip knows better than to state absolutes and knows that there is often more than one way to 'skin a cat'.
At least that's my impression.
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