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Old 01-18-2012, 12:20 PM   #1
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Itís not a popular sentiment to say this, but you can out train your diet. People have done it for thousands of years and people do it today. I have seen hundreds of people do it. Just not popular to say that if you are selling a nutrition program, idea or fitness lifestyle.

The problem is that most canít train that hard. The time, dedication and work ethic are things most people donít have. They have jobs and other hobbies/parts of their life that are more important than training. There is no shame in that Ė you can still be very successful (insanely) and not dedictate EVERY moment of your life to training. But you can out train your diet.

There are two things you CANíT out train Ė your past and your age. If you grow up fat and never learned how to eat correctly, you canít out train that without a proper diet. This is a good reason to teach your children GOOD (not great, good) eating habits at a young age. They wonít have to suffer from a life time of self-esteem issues, relationship issues, a hampered social life in high school and really, being an all-around drama king/queen about their ****ing body. If you are 18 years old and you donít know what healthy foods are and what they arenít, your parents have failed you.

Age is another thing that is impossible to out train without a healthy diet. Eating like shit will catch up to you eventually Ė either in the waist or in the doctorís office. Not to mention joint pain, stomach problems, reflux, etc. At a certain point, you should eat like a grown up.

Yes there are exceptions to these rules, but using them to prove your point only proves the biggest one of all.
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Old 01-18-2012, 12:23 PM   #2
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The problem is that most can’t train that hard.
This is a point I have been trying to get across to some of the younger guys who are 90% focused on diet.

They need to get their training in gear. Most young guys think they're training hard enough.
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Old 01-18-2012, 12:33 PM   #3
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One problem is the definition many have of training hard. If you break a sweat you are training hard. Not so, if your metabolism is up, you can sweat just looking at the gym equipment. Hard training is much more than breaking a sweat. Weight pulled, volume, density, speed, , etc... all contribute to hard training.
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This is a point I have been trying to get across to some of the younger guys who are 90% focused on diet.

They need to get their training in gear. Most young guys think they're training hard enough.
Personally, I have no real excuses for not upping my work rate. I feel stronger than ever, have a gym nearby, a job that allows me to do what I like and an increasing appetite for meat and heavy stuff.
Others are not so lucky and who knows if I'll ever have a better time to make hay.
Wendler may have a point but it doesn't give carte blanche to have poor dietary habits (which is exactly what he just said lol!). Plenty of good, relatively healthy ways to get protein, fat and carbs.

And I also agree that few people ever fully understand 'hard training'. Take a look at some of the real experienced and dedicated lifters on MAB and you'll know what 'hard training' is.
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A key to training hard, is mentally pushing past pain, which a lot of people do not. Thet hit the threshold and quit.
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Hard training for me means breaking out of the comfort zone and doing exercises I don't want to do, and getting as strong as I can on them. For me it also means never wasting a set.
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Just to clarify, training hard does not equate to pain and pushing past or through pain...your own mental comfort zone or physical comfort zone, maybe, but neither is "pain" related.

Diet, is a funny old thing, nobody can actually agree on what constitutes a good diet anyway so out-training a lousy diet is a complex statement before the training aspect of it is even considered. Many would consider white bread to be part of a lousy diet, many wouldn't...etc. HiCarb, LoCarb...
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Just to clarify, training hard does not equate to pain and pushing past or through pain...your own mental comfort zone or physical comfort zone, maybe, but neither is "pain" related.
Let me add, be careful what pain you push past. Doing this has left me injured again. Its fine to push past where you want to stop, to push past mental and emotional barriers, but if something feels damaged or like its about to become damaged, STOP dammit. To re-iterate, pushing through the burn, pumps, sucking air, thinking "No way can I get another rep" are fine. When you feel your spine shift and pop, have an arm go numb, or feel your knee dislocate, don't finish the set. Yes, I've done all of these recently and have no idea why I can't just let it go when I know I need to.

Back to the article, I like it a lot. If I'm injury free, I can eat a couple slices of pizza in addition to my usual food, hit squats and deadlifts hard, and suffer no ill effects. This is the biggest reason I lift, so I can eat more.
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Yeah this certainly isn't pain related. I never push past tweaks or strains...ever. No exceptions. I shut down workouts if there is any concern.

I will add that it can be easy to read into an article like this and assume it carries with it some excess amount of machismo or call towards lunacy. I personally don't see it like that. "Not" training hard usually involves:

1) Avoiding the most potent lifts, or looking for an easier way.
2) Having no defined progression scheme.
3) Having no drive or sense of urgency.
4) Not facing mental challenges.

There is certainly nothing wrong with being a recreational lifter who exercises for health. There is certainly nothing wrong with not having the drive to deadlift 600. Personal goals are personal goals, end of story.

With all that said, when someone is training hard they can overcome a lot of dieting and nutritional deficiencies.

Just check out any forum that has a high population of guys spinning their wheels. A high percentage of them are obsessing about nutrition and have structured plans. But when it comes to training most of them don't have a progression plan, are using a lot of fluff exercises, and many of them are looking for ways to avoid the hardest exercises.
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