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BendtheBar 09-16-2011 12:04 AM

9 Year Old Naomi Kutin Squats 205 At Weight of 91
 
9 Year Old Naomi Kutin Squats 205 At Weight of 91


Kuytrider 09-16-2011 02:00 AM

Amazing feat of strength but I'm sorry, it's wrong for kids of that age to be training heavy.

Soldier 09-16-2011 06:12 AM

I saw this one the other day. I'm not necesarily opposed to kids training fairly heavy, but her form is HORRIBLE. There are other videos of kids doing squats and their knees ALWAYS come together as they push back up.

She needs a real coach asap, because if she keeps going this way she's going to have major problems very soon.

Off Road 09-16-2011 08:30 AM

She is coached by her father.

5kgLifter 09-16-2011 08:56 AM

She's lighter than me and squats more than me :mh:

I agree her form needs sorting, though on heavier lifts form tends to suffer, so we really needed a lighter lift to be able to compare form in relation as to whether her form is always as seen in the vid.

Not really sure where I stand on the younger people not lifting heavy, it's said to be detrimental to growth plates (?) and such but there are no studies to show one way or the other, since that sort of study would require children to be followed through a program for years and then the resultant data to be studied, and I don't believe that such a study exists. There is also the question of how much children and youngsters lifted yesteryear, in the days when children started farm work and manual labour jobs, officially, at the age of 12 and below (in the 1920's, as hubby's father did); did they suffer any ill effects from such work? Nobody can say for sure. It can be surmised that there may be detrimental effects but nothing solid data wise, to my knowlegde.

Off Road 09-16-2011 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by 5kgLifter (Post 171456)
I agree her form needs sorting, though on heavier lifts form tends to suffer, so we really needed a lighter lift to be able to compare form in relation as to whether her form is always as seen in the vid.

Solid point. While good form should be the goal with every rep, it gets pretty hard to maintain perfect form when going for a max effort. But, it was pretty bad form - lol

Pull14 09-16-2011 10:51 AM

Very impressive if you ask me. Form was certainly off (knees/torso), but I though it great compared to what I've seen from other kids her age. Kids are usually hyper-flexible OR rather much more flexible than us and still developing coordination gives most kids a clumsy look under the bar or just really bad form.

As for kids lifting, I see no reason against it as long as the kids kept on a tight leach, technique/form is constantly improved, and the child actually wants to do it. Gives the kid something to do, makes him/her stronger, helps improve coordination. That said, some type of base should be developed through simple body weight stuff before the bar gets put in the hand, imo. The stunted growth and extremely dangerous arguments are drivel.

Bet she has an awesome GM.

powerlifter62 09-17-2011 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Soldier (Post 171406)
I saw this one the other day. I'm not necesarily opposed to kids training fairly heavy, but her form is HORRIBLE. There are other videos of kids doing squats and their knees ALWAYS come together as they push back up.

She needs a real coach asap, because if she keeps going this way she's going to have major problems very soon.

I've been lifting for over 30 years, and as her father, her health and safety come first to me, so I am her "real" coach.

Yes you are right that kids often bring their knees together. We (my wife and I) taught her to overcome that tendency. Doing that is a bad thing, not a good thing.

In criticizing her form, keep 2 things in mind. First, she is doing powerlifting style squats (obviously) which have the bar lower on the back, and thereby bending somewhat forward, than would be true with more conventional types of squats. Actually, by powerlifting standards, her form is decent. Second, form does tend to degrade at higher weights. The third one broke a world record, for the weight class, not just for her age. Certainly, by any reasonable standards, that qualifies as a high weight.

BendtheBar 09-17-2011 10:22 PM

Welcome to the forum. I thought she was doing an amazing job for her age. Form is always hard to maintain near 1RM, but I could definitely tell she had been coached fairly well.

I tend to good morning my one rep maxes. At a certain point you need to brute force the lift and get it done even if things don't go as planned.

We respect the iron here at MAB and I hope that you understand that any criticism was meant in the best of spirits, and with the best of intentions.

Soldier 09-17-2011 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by powerlifter62 (Post 172003)
I've been lifting for over 30 years, and as her father, her health and safety come first to me, so I am her "real" coach.

Yes you are right that kids often bring their knees together. We (my wife and I) taught her to overcome that tendency. Doing that is a bad thing, not a good thing.

In criticizing her form, keep 2 things in mind. First, she is doing powerlifting style squats (obviously) which have the bar lower on the back, and thereby bending somewhat forward, than would be true with more conventional types of squats. Actually, by powerlifting standards, her form is decent. Second, form does tend to degrade at higher weights. The third one broke a world record, for the weight class, not just for her age. Certainly, by any reasonable standards, that qualifies as a high weight.

1. Welcome to M&B.

2. Most of the regulars here are very knowledgable, including knowing what a powerlifting style squat is.

3. Form can go a bit when heavier weight is lifted, but sometimes when form goes in certain ways it shows weaknesses that need to be addressed. Knees should never be allowed to move in at all, as far as I'm concerned. If they move a single inch inwards while coming out of the hole, then there's a problem that should be addressed while training, not to mention that some great postior chain power can be harnessed if the knees are pushed out correctly. I bet she'd be lifting MORE if she had tighter form.

You said you're addressing the issue and that's great, but as far as I'm concerned if she can't squat a max lift without placing herself in such a vulnerable position, then weight should be lowered and form should be worked on before she actually starts lifting in meets in the first place.

This is 100% my opinion, and I'm sure her health and safety is very important to you. Everyone with interest in strength training is very interested in seeing what she'll do in a few years!


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