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Old 08-29-2011, 06:31 PM   #11
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I think Faz has a good point. At some point you'll have to get more serious and precise to make it to your full potential. In BtB's case, it's scary to think where he may end up. But I think BtB has found that hard work is by far the greatest factor of success.
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Every time I try to make a training plan, after a couple days I show up at the gym and realize that at least one of the muscles I'm supposed to hit hard doesn't feel up to it, and maybe I really feel like working a certain lift/muscle group I wasn't planning on hitting. I always end up throwing the plan out the window.

Normally I don't like to work that way, but with my intense, unpredicatable PT sessions being run by other people twice a week that's the way it has to be.

I know, it's blasphemous, but it's taught me to listen to my body. It's not the kind of thing the average person can do, or even someone who trains but isn't in tune with their body, but there have definitely been positives to take from the experience.
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Old 08-30-2011, 07:36 AM   #13
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I train by feel more often then not. There is nothing wrong with training that way. We have set days we do certain movements, but that is only so that we can have the correct number of spotters for each movement. If someone feels like doing something different that day, then they do. I normally write out a lifting cycle, but thats just to get an idea of where I want to get. I think people get to hung up on this variations of the big movements. Squat, Bench, Deadlift, and you will get stronger. There maybe a faster way to get there, but I like to load plates on the bar each week. To be a true top powerlifter, I may have to change that one day. As for now, I will keep hitting the weights the way I see it. Congrats on your success BTB, nothing like doing it your way, feeling good about it, then kicking some butt! Now lets get some pounds off and get you in some gear! Just thinking about doing a raw meet makes my body hurt haha!
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Old 08-30-2011, 08:47 AM   #14
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That's a good post Steve. I think I've made it pretty clear how I feel about weak point training and higher reps.

As is typical in most endeavours people can lose the overall priorities (and their minds) by focusing in on details.

However to play Devil's Advocate and this is mainly aimed at your diet and sleep points, getting to truly elite levels of strength requires a certain level of specialisation. An elite level lifter would answer by saying his dedication is another person's obsession.
I won't disagree with you. I rarely go through periods where my diet is filled with foods like this. Sleep I can't control much. My old body gets up when it gets up.

My eating is usually pretty spot on. I think it's one of the reasons I can gain strength on cuts. This period of eating was an extreme exception. With that said, I hadn't taken in more than 3000 calories per day very often in the past 2 years, so the sheer quantity of calories helped quite a bit.

In a perfect world I would be back around 220-230 and eating Paleo. That will happen soon enough.
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Old 08-30-2011, 09:27 AM   #15
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My eating is usually pretty spot on. I think it's one of the reasons I can gain strength on cuts. This period of eating was an extreme exception. With that said, I hadn't taken in more than 3000 calories per day very often in the past 2 years, so the sheer quantity of calories helped quite a bit.
What is your preference while cutting - Paleo, or Warrrior diet? (Or a warrior diet on a paleo, idk, that would be rough)
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Old 08-30-2011, 10:30 AM   #16
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I think that while bulking, calories matter most, and lots of them. Clean eating is more of a long term health issue. I have been clean for 7 years now and it shows - I look better now than when I did at 40. I am also way healthier. I have also avoided all the medical issues family members have not been so fortunate to avoid, including diabetes. I also think clean eating goes hand in hand with exercise, and becomes more of a factor while cutting, and as we age. I know for a fact, I cannot expect to reach my goals if I ate like that. The younger guys may be able to geta way with it, but not me. I do know that as I age, I have to step up my game and work even harder.

I was really intigued by your use of the straps. It makes me wonder if going strapless is worth it for me.
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Steve, you put up some HUGE numbers on your first meet, and you trained YOUR WAY. It may have not been "ideal", or "perfect", but your training style worked for you, and you had FUN doing it, and face it... if you're not having fun lifting, then why do it?
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Old 08-30-2011, 10:45 AM   #18
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What is your preference while cutting - Paleo, or Warrrior diet? (Or a warrior diet on a paleo, idk, that would be rough)
I prefer more Warrior with some carbs when I have a lot of weight to lose, like right now. When I stop working and am just sitting in a chair I have this "snack" voice in my head, so I like to leave room for more calories at night.

Paleo works real well for me and does provide some steady weight loss, but I still have those bigger snack days that tend to slow things down.

Before this bulk, I was Warrior/Paleo combined. Lean protein only during the day, and a lot of protein and fats after 5pm. I lost 10 pounds in 45 days with this method.
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I was really intigued by your use of the straps. It makes me wonder if going strapless is worth it for me.
I have to tell you Jim, I always suspected that my grip was actually getting stronger with straps. This is controversial I know, but I was able to use heavier weights more frequently and my forearms and grip were still taxed very hard.

I suffer from severe carpal tunnel so my strap use was primarily to prevent waking up each morning without feeling in my hands.

If you're never going to compete, I am 100% an advocate of straps. If you are going to compete, then I would use straps and keep a keen eye on your grip strength from time to time.
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Steve, I think there is a lot to be said for doing things your own way. hard work and consistency are the two biggest factors IMO with getting big and strong. You can gain strength on higher reps just as you can get bigger on lower reps. Would I recommend to someone starting to do it this way, absolutely NOT, but to a guy who has been lifting years and knows his body better than anyone else on the planet then why not. At the end of the day for most of us this is a hobby and something we enjoy and we still have to live life.

I am inconsistent with diet and training at times and yes it has affected my gains, but I AM STILL GAINING albeit slower than I should, however I doubt I will ever compete (id like to think I could one day), but i lift cos i love to lift, i like to do different things all the time and that to me is atm more important than doing everything RIGHT to get to a goal. I hugely admire people that can dedicate their life to a certain end to get where they want to go, but I just cant do it. For you to get there without dedicating you life Steve is just testament to what a good lifter you are...

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