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Old 08-12-2011, 12:31 AM   #1
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Poster to Rippetoe: I just moved to the Big Apple, and in my part of town there is a power lifting gym where all the big mother****ers go literally just ONE block away! Unfortunately though, the price range is far too high to accommodate my broke status at a whopping $70 monthly fee with a $200 startup fee. YIKES!

The solution? Planet Fitness. The relatively new franchise has been making tons of business from newbies (like myself) and intermediates with their famous $10 a month promise and their 24hour availability on weekdays.

So the problem is that there is LITERALLY not a single Free weight Barbell. All of their free weights are DB's with the heaviest one being a few sets of 60lbs. So as a result, I can't do Cleans or anything like that, and the compound movements that I can and do do, I perform on a Smith Machine.

Rippetoe: In NYC, $200 down/$70 month is not unreasonable. NYC is expensive, and I think you should move to WF where we get $75 down and $30/month. But your choice is the real gym where you can do the program, or Planet Pussy where you cannot.
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Old 08-12-2011, 12:40 AM   #2
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Old 08-12-2011, 12:41 AM   #3
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Old 08-12-2011, 10:26 AM   #4
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I run into this question more than a handful of times each week, though it is not directly related to Starting Strength.

Far too many guys are lifting at home or at a crappy 24/7 gym and won't take the initiative to open a phone book, drive 5 extra minutes, pay $10 extra dollars, and lift at a gym that will actually allow them to reach their goals.

Either you want it or you don't. If you want it find a real gym.
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Old 08-12-2011, 10:28 AM   #5
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I run into this question more than a handful of times each week, though it is not directly related to Starting Strength.

Far too many guys are lifting at home or at a crappy 24/7 gym and won't take the initiative to open a phone book, drive 5 extra minutes, pay $10 extra dollars, and lift at a gym that will actually allow them to reach their goals.

Either you want it or you don't. If you want it find a real gym.
Or build your own.
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Old 08-12-2011, 10:35 AM   #6
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Or build your own.
That's what I did. Cost less than I imagined. I sold a lot of items on Ebay that were collecting dust, primarily DVDs and books, and purchased a bench unit.
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Old 08-12-2011, 10:40 AM   #7
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I run into this question more than a handful of times each week, though it is not directly related to Starting Strength.

Far too many guys are lifting at home or at a crappy 24/7 gym and won't take the initiative to open a phone book, drive 5 extra minutes, pay $10 extra dollars, and lift at a gym that will actually allow them to reach their goals.

Either you want it or you don't. If you want it find a real gym.
Aye. I'm looking at driving an hour and a half on weekends to get into a good gym. Its tough when there's no where to go, but if there's something in reach, I cant see why someone wouldnt take it.
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Old 08-12-2011, 10:44 AM   #8
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I think if I was 90 minutes from a gym and didn't have the cash to buy a complete gym I would probably get adjustable dumbbells, a sandbag, and a pullup bar. That's about 200-300 bucks and I think it would work well.
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Old 08-12-2011, 01:08 PM   #9
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I run into this question more than a handful of times each week, though it is not directly related to Starting Strength.

Far too many guys are lifting at home or at a crappy 24/7 gym and won't take the initiative to open a phone book, drive 5 extra minutes, pay $10 extra dollars, and lift at a gym that will actually allow them to reach their goals.

Either you want it or you don't. If you want it find a real gym.
Most gyms are pretty hard-up for cash these days, especially if you join in the summer/early fall when most of the New Year's/Christmas signees from the previous year have canceled their contracts after the one year commitment.

My gym isn't as awesome as some I've been in when traveling, but it has 2 squat racks, a power rack, 2 T-bar stations and a lot of benches (among other things).

I joined years ago when I was still a teacher. I waited until they advertised no joining fee and asked for a discount. To this day, I pay $30 a month and I can cancel at any time.

I can see how a smaller, PL gym might need to charge more as the membership volume is lower, but I don't see why anyone would pay $60 or $70 a month for a gym. I feel like I overpay and I am in the gym 4-5 days each week.
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I can see how a smaller, PL gym might need to charge more as the membership volume is lower, but I don't see why anyone would pay $60 or $70 a month for a gym. I feel like I overpay and I am in the gym 4-5 days each week.
Its $100/mo for my gym, $75/mo for me because I'm an elite lifter.

Part of it is due to real estate costs in the bay area, the rent on our 1440 sq ft warehouse is over $2k.

Part of it is that we have a limited membership base and all of us contribute to make sure the place stays open.

Part of it is the equipment and expertise available, everybody is coached every set and we have all the specialty equipment that you can't find at other gyms. We also have the team atmosphere and attitude that everyone is going to help everyone else get stronger.

if you're paying a lot for just a place, then yea it doesn't make much sense.
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