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Old 08-04-2011, 07:47 AM   #21
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Part 2 is up. I didn't read it yet.

Why the US Sucks at Olympic Lifting: Part 2 | BodyRecomposition - The Home of Lyle McDonald

There are a lot of reasons. Not sure if he got to "we don't care" yet. Someone let me know if you see this reason.
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Old 08-04-2011, 07:53 AM   #22
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1. Lyle is a complete DB, I have interacted with him on other sites. He has a good brain as far as nutrition and exercise, but cant apply it for himself.
I don't really follow him. Any good examples of your interactions?
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Old 08-04-2011, 09:02 AM   #23
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I don't really follow him. Any good examples of your interactions?
I know he solicited sex with a 17 year old girl on another site I visit. He is 40 something.

He is also very condescending to anyone who questions anything he posts or wants clarification about his ideas.
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Part 2 is up. I didn't read it yet.

Why the US Sucks at Olympic Lifting: Part 2 | BodyRecomposition - The Home of Lyle McDonald

There are a lot of reasons. Not sure if he got to "we don't care" yet. Someone let me know if you see this reason.
It'll be interesting how he wraps the Kenyans up with us sucking at Oly competition
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I assume the Kenyans as a country are very passionate about running and take great pride in their success...
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I assume the Kenyans as a country are very passionate about running and take great pride in their success...
^^^ This. Besides, I would imagine it would be very difficult for the average Kenyan to find a decent gym and coach to start lifting competitively. I know from first hand experience that this is the case, especially with the small towns in India, and I can very well imagine that the situation in Kenya would be the same.

They have been successful at a sport (running) that requires bare minimal equipment, and because of their past success, have some infrastructure in place to support the budding athletes.

In the poorer countries, getting in two square meals a day is a struggle for the vast majority of the population. This precludes most of the talent there from a decent nutrition, without which you can go only so far, especially in the international level. Given the socio-economic situation, most of the population in a poorer country is concerned with fending for themselves and their families than take up sports, which require a huge time commitment before you start making enough money from it. Getting an education and finding a 8-5 job that pays the bills is what people look in these places. Is it a surprise, that in almost any sport requiring decent infrastructure, it is only the countries with a decent level of development who do well? There is a good reason why the ancient Romans looked at sports as a measure of development of a country.

Besides, US didn't always suck at Olympic lifting. The likes of Tommy Kono, Paul Anderson and Norbert Schemansky were Americans who won multiple medals in the Olympics. I agree with whoever said that a shift in interest to other sports (that pay much better and are more popular with spectators) was responsible.

I have seen this happen in India in case of field hockey. About the time when US was a strong force in Olympic weightlifting, the Indian hockey squad was dominating the international scene too. Just as a shift of interest to NFL, powerlifting etc led to a decline in Olympic weightlifting, a shift to cricket.

Cricket is a sport that is big in only about 9-10 countries or so - India, Pakistan, England, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, West Indies (the Caribbean countries come together to make a single team), Bangladesh, Sri Lanka. Yet, India is the biggest money spinner, with the highest paid players. Lo and behold, the Indian cricket team took rapid strides forward while the Indian field hockey team fell way behind the international competition.

Athletes good at one sport, are often good at a number of other sports. But when one particular sport becomes attractive, the best talent is attracted there, thereby bringing down the level of talent available to the other sports.
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Besides, US didn't always suck at Olympic lifting. The likes of Tommy Kono, Paul Anderson and Norbert Schemansky were Americans who won multiple medals in the Olympics. I agree with whoever said that a shift in interest to other sports (that pay much better and are more popular with spectators) was responsible.
I've read posts by some "authorities" saying we weren't very good then either. Everyone else was just really bad.
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Athletes good at one sport, are often good at a number of other sports. But when one particular sport becomes attractive, the best talent is attracted there, thereby bringing down the level of talent available to the other sports.
Excellent post, and this last quote really sums it up nicely.

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Very good point.

Along these lines, post-1950 I think things in the USA became gradually more comfortable. Correct me if I'm wrong here. As the comfort level grew, so did interest in sports on the big level. Football, basketball, hockey all expanded into greater degrees of prominence.

Heck, we have countless college teams that pack large arenas night in and night out.
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I've read posts by some "authorities" saying we weren't very good then either. Everyone else was just really bad.
"authorities" my ass. It's like history being written by the winners, in reverse! Kono, the Georges, Anderson, etc. kicked the asses that were in front of them at the time, usually right there in their own countries to boot. Some of their records are still shocking to this day given the equipment they used.

I'd be shocked to see any credible source that doubted their overall success as being the result of the rest of the world sucking.
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Along these lines, post-1950 I think things in the USA became gradually more comfortable. Correct me if I'm wrong here. As the comfort level grew, so did interest in sports on the big level. Football, basketball, hockey all expanded into greater degrees of prominence.
I wonder if the development of the television had anything to do wth it?
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