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Old 11-07-2010, 01:42 PM   #11
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i understand what ur saying gl, and the vid will be posted today, i will upload to youtube and then post them here when i get back im about to go do some cardio
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i understand what ur saying gl, and the vid will be posted today, i will upload to youtube and then post them here when i get back im about to go do some cardio
I think your getting to far ahead of yourself. You have a desire to be doing more advanced work than you need at this time. Your worried about your roof when the foundation isn't done.

You could still be doing a starting strength program and making good progress with linear gains, if you were working it hard. At one time you were going to do a Reg Park basic program. If you had stuck to that plan you could still be milking that program for good gains.

Just stick to the basics, and work full range of motion movements. Your not ready for, nor do you need rack pulls. If you wanted an alternate DL move, I would suggest SLDL's.

Put that energy you have into solid foundation work. You will be happy you did. Did you read the John Christy thread I linked the other day?

Go back and read this one again.

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Nothing fancy, just heavy work on the basics. When your deadlifting 500 plus then lets talk about some more advanced methods to strengthen weak spots in your chain. Right now your whole chain is weak. Thats not an insult at you, it's true for me as well.

The other day I asked you where you saw yourself, and you said intermediate. Your not there yet. Your still a beginner. Hell, I'm a beginner again after my layoff. I'll be back faster than you due to muscle memory if nothing else happens, but right now I'm a beginner again. I will be making linear gains as I rebuild my strength back.

Before I got injured I was just into intermediate ability. I'm a pretty harsh judge on myself, but I'm also a realist. EGO hurts more people in this sport than the weights do. Slow and steady, unless you want to be a part of the stats, and watch from the sidelines for awhile.
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No offense to you either but i have been putting in alot of work while u havent been able to get on bro so im actually a little farther along then you think bro, yeah i loved the john christy appreciation thread taught me some new things, thanks again for your wisdom ill hold off on the rack pulls
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No offense to you either but i have been putting in alot of work while u havent been able to get on bro so im actually a little farther along then you think bro.


I didn't forget how to read. I've gone through your log, and looked at what you have done, and where your at. Like I said, I'm very critical of my own progress and where I'm at. I can pump up my ego all I want but it won't change the fact of where I'm actually at.

This is your workouts from your current log. Based on what I'm seeing, you could still be making great progress on a simpler Starting strength type of program. I'm not telling you to stop the 5/3/1, only that you could still make good linear beginner gains.

Your lift stats tend to bear this fact out. Just keep using the 5/3/1 and push it hard. Don't forget, I considered myself to be just a little beyond beginning intermediate.

There are 19 workouts here on a program thats more advanced than what you need. Think what you could have done with an A/B split or fullbody in 19 sessions.


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Seated OHP:5/3/1
Seated Dumbbell Press: 4 sets of 10 reps
Standing Dumbbell Curl Ė 4 sets of 10 reps
Dumbbell Lateral Raise: 4 sets of 10-15 reps
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Well I am running on about 4 hours of sleep but i did my best (no spotter today for bench)

All in all I am Proud

Deadlift-135x3 warmup,185x2 warmup,205x2,225x1 PR(max)
I threw down on this i maybe could have got 10 more pounds but i pushed it out on this

Squat-185x2,205x1(Max) im thinking of giving 225 a try because 205 went up easy but im not retrying until 6 weeks so may get more

Bench press-135x2(got this to easy but no spotter only the lady that owns it was there so i couldnt push it)

Seated OHP-90x3(easy), 110x2(max)

Im leaving everything like it is for 6 weeks if i do anything ill retry OHP before the day it starts, the idea as wendler says start low so i dont stall out, its gonna be hard staying with low weights but i can do it.
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Great workout, ripped my legs to shreds I can barely Walk but dont give a ****


Notes: Got All my 5/3/1 sets in and also a few extra things, O and I have to Take More time to rest I Took like 30 seconds today between sets

Squat-155x5,165x5,175x15(O YEAH I WAS BURNING)

Leg Extension-100x32,75x30

Leg Press-200x15,290x30,380x15


LOVIN THE 5/3/1
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Workout Grade:A
Workout Duration: approx.1 hr
Notes: Got all my 5/3/1 sets done but, on the last set, I got to the 5th rep(which is the minimum reps i gotta have on that set) and i heard the most horrible scream, the guy across from me did to many reps with 265 and it was stuck on him so i slammed my weight up and helped get that off of him, he had no major injuries just lost his breath.

Bench Press-100x5, 110x5, 120x5(had more in the tank but read notes for info)

Db Bench-35x10, 35x10, 25x10, 40x10

Cable Tricep Extensions-60x20,80x20,70x20,80x20(rough stuff)

DB flyes-25x24
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okay guys i went in the gym today so ready and so pumped until i hurt myself, I was on my third set of deads hit my 3rd rep and was gonna try and get 8 when this asshole walks up behind me and says your not deadlifting right your scraping your shins and as i started to reply i lost concentration/form threw my back into it and felt this horrible pain I need hellp recognizing what it may be After i had to stop at 3 i did some chins to see if they hurt and they didnt after that i called it a day

Okay the pain is in my lower back, I can do any number of things side bends. anything i mean i just picked my girl up off he floor and it didnt hurt to bad, it hurts when i bend over TO FAR and also WHEN I SIT STRAIGHT UP ON A NON FLAT SURFACE LIKE MY BED cause they hammer down when sat on, i think its a pulled muscle and im trying to avoid the doctor because i wanna keep working out, can u guys help.



Deadlift-warmup 135x5 now 175x5(my percentage was 170 but just couldnt seem to set that up), 190x3

Now did some chins to see if it was stiff

chin ups 2x8

Can y guys plz help me out im scared to death i wanna workout monday
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WEEK 2:Workout 4

Great day easy as sh**, nice pump in the arms and good tightness in the shoulders

Lookin and feelin like a beast

Notes: Some back soreness but not much, think im healing up, had no trouble with the weights

Seated OHP-85x5, 90x5, 95x8

Seated DB press-60x10(30s), 70x10(35s)

Standing DB curl-30x10, 35x10

Ez Bar Curl Burn-45x25, 45x30

DB lat raise-20sx20
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Notes: well guys today I did a 6am squat 5/3/1 and at 4 pm i did bench, did 2 workouts in one day, All day long my back has been saying please stop and let me rest so finally its restin

6 A.M.
Squat-135x5 warmup, 155x5, 165x5, 175x8
Leg Extensions-(slow and controlled reps)-55x30,95x15,100x15,115x10,155x5

Now I wanted to leg press but i pushed one rep of 200 trying to warm up and my back was callin my name so im obviously not fully healed.

4 P.M.

Bench- 100x5, 110x5, 120x8
Cable Tri Extension-70x20, 80x20, 90x20, 100x20

When i tried db bench after this i just couldnt my tri's were shot
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Notes: Overall great workout, besides back pain i had to not do all the assistance i wanted

Seated Ohp: 90x3, 95x3,100x5
db curl:35'sx20
Ez bar curl:35x30, 65x20

Im thinkin of going big thurs and fri, with deads thurs, and squats friday, to spark some growth

Im reall likin 5/3/1

I need some ideas on how to get my CNS firing
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Notes: I have Missed 9 days worth of workouts due to sickness and school, BUT I AM BACK FEELIN BETTER THAN EVER, did squats and bench today, dl tomorrow.

Bench Press:100x5, 115x5, 130x1(if this wasn't the 5/3/1 sets i would have definetly pushed about 5 more reps on that last set or more it was easy)
Squat-165x3, 175x3, 185x5

Cable Tri Extension- 80x20, 90x20, 100x10

Front Squats: 135x8 (would have done more but my wrists didnt feel right)
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Notes: Not sure how this is possible but the lower back muscle must still be slightly pulled i couldnt deadlift like i wanted to but i did some helpful deads for my back.

Seated OHP-90x5, 95x3, 105x5 (was only supposed to push this once but it was to easy so i pushed it)
Ez Bar Curl- 65x12, 65x5

Deadlift- 135x5/5/5, this was sore in every pull but i can notice the back gettin better
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Notes: I didnt have someone to vid me deadlifting so friday is deads day so hopefully i can get a vid by then, Also I am noticing on bench days when i do a smaller amount of chest work and more tri work benchin is easier.

Workout Duration: 55 minutes
Intra Workout: 1/2 gal milk
Workout Grade: A+


Bench Press: 85x5, 90x5, 95x20(had prob 5 more in the tank but this IS rest week)
DB bench: 40'Sx10, 45'Sx10
Chest Press Machine: 180x10
Cable Tri Extension(burn no rest): 60x20, 70x20, 80x20


Now after this destruction I happened to glance at a barbell loaded with 2 plates (135). Sorry guys i was feelin good so i went slighty off course and hit 135x1(easy)
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Notes: Tried some zercher squats today and loved em, i stuck to the program today.

Squat-125x5, 135x5, 145x5
Zercher squat-125x5, 135x10, 145x5(never done these before they really hit the quads)


Workout Grade:A+
Workout Duration:38 minutes
Intra Workout: GOMAD
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Notes: Deadlifted fine today no problems great form, tried wendler's kroc rows and loved them, this was my last workout i start over monday with new maxes although i think im gonna leave dl the same and try again since i hurt my back halfway through.

Workout Grade:A
Workout Duration:52 minutes
Intra Workout:GOMAD

Side Note: I CANT WAIT FOR MT K-OTIC TO COME IN


Deadlift- 135x5, 145x5, 160x5 (all easy)

DB rows/KROC ROWS-Warmup- 30'sx5, 35'sx10- kroc's- 40'sx20, 45x40- each arm on all
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Notes: Took the k-otic before my workout 1/2 scoop, felt no effects and i am in now way giving it a bad rep because on max out day theres not enough work to induce a pump so trust me i know its gonna be beast when theres a real workout ahead.

Bench- warmups-(95x10),(115x5),135x1(old max), 145x1, 155x1(new max) 165xfail

SOHP-90x10,110x2(old max) 130x1 (NEW MAX)

Squat-135x5, 205x5(old max +3 reps),225x3(new max)

Deadlift- As i said before im gonna drop it back to 200 because of back trouble and work up using better form


Side Notes: ON EVERYTHING MY MAXES WENT UP 20 POUNDS SUCCESSFUL
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Notes: Awesome day, K-O knocked one out yhe ballpark for me today, man was it awesome, focus,drive,pump it was all there. Thankyou richhhhhhh "drumroll" theee freakkkkk KNAPPPPPPP

BENCH PRESS DAY

WARM UPS-95x10, 100x10, 105x10

Working sets-115x5, 125x5, 130x7(done)

A** kickin time- Bench press-115x10, 110x10, 100x10, 95x12

Cable tri extension-80x20, 90x20, 110x10

Kroc Row- 40sx20(each arms), 45sx10(each arm)

Dip Machine-30lb. assistx20


AWESOME DAY
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Notes:If you have never had a pre-wo that puts a serious pump in your legs then you havent had K-0, today's saturday and i wanted to chill on my *** but i got up and got it done.

Workout Grade:A
Workout Duration:45 minutes
Pre Workout: K-Otic
Post Workout: 3 taco bell tacos lol


SQUAT ASSASINATION

Warm Ups-135x20/135x10

5/3/1 sets- 170x5/180x5/190x7

Zercher Squats-135x5/5/5

Leg Press(knees to chest)-200x15/290x12/380x5

Leg Extension-85x10/105x10

SIDE NOTE: THIS IS CALLED SQUAT ASSASINATION BECAUSE EVERY SET ON EVERY EXERCISE I ONLY RESTED 20 SECONDS.
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Notes: No deadlift today my legs were to beat from squattin saturday so im gonna dl friday on the day that its supposed to be anyway, Did some benchin with higher percentages of my max and some heavy rowing

Warm ups-Incline bench 90x20/20

Bench press- 115x10/125x5/135x2/145x1

DB Rows-55'x10(PR),60'sx5(PR),75'sx3(PR) (all pr's for weight on each arm)

Saturation db rows-45'sx20



DEADLIFT FRIDAY...HAD TO LISTEN TO MY BODY TODAY
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Notes: Great workout today, sorry i couldnt get form vids but i got a few good compliments on my form, one was by a guy who ive seen deadlift 405x6 so that made me feel good, i will get some tomorrow cause i have to OHP tomorrow to get the 4 days a week setup just right.

Deadlift-No warmups(i know its not safe but i felt strong)

5/3/1 sets-150x5/160x5/170x15(PR!!!!! for reps)

DB rows-55'sx5/60'sx10/65'sx5(each arm on all)

Chin ups-4/4/4/5(gotta get better at these)

BB rows-135x7, 155x4, 185x2(all pr's) 85x20 saturation set( Now if you guys remember 6 months ago i could only bb row 95x5 this is the first time trying since then and i pulled 185)
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Notes: Did some good work today was definetly feeling yesterdays deadlifts today.

Workout grade:A
Pre workout-K-otic
Post Workout-Cell Rush
AAEFX ALL THE WAY!!!!


SOHP-100x5/105x5/110x8

DB front raises-5x8

DB side raises-5x8

DB bent over side raises-50 total reps

(on the dumbbell work i didnt really count the dumbbell weight i was using because i was basically just trying to hit the shoulders nicely)
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One thing i do know is that when i change im going to an a/b split john christy taught me alot, and i had another log before this wth more sessions even more workouts that i didnt have time to log so i also believe im a beginner intermediate, and yes i still have some beginner in me, sorry if you felt insulted i was just letting you know im not a super noob i have been doing some hard work and my lifts have been climbing, thanks for taking your time to look into this for me
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how do you quote that many workouts ive always wondered that
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No offense to you either but i have been putting in alot of work while u havent been able to get on bro so im actually a little farther along then you think bro, yeah i loved the john christy appreciation thread taught me some new things, thanks again for your wisdom ill hold off on the rack pulls
Coop, you're still a beginner. And don't take that as a bad thing, or as me putting you down. It's not meant that way.

You are putting in work, and that's a great thing. But you are facing a temptation right now to make things too complicated. Simple is really the best way to go for a very long time.

I used the same workout for nearly 20 years, with small tweaks of course. I'm not telling you need to do that, or to model me, but I do want to encourage you to find a program that you like, and that you want to use, and to commit to it for a year.

We've given you a lot of great programs this year. The real key for you is to find one of them you love, and are willing to commit too, and to just keeping working.

You will know when you're past that beginner stage when you know for certain how to gain muscle and strength based on your body and it's demands. Right now you've gained some weight, but your muscular development still needs another 10 pounds before I would consider you an advanced beginner.
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Coop, you're still a beginner. And don't take that as a bad thing, or as me putting you down. It's not meant that way.

You are putting in work, and that's a great thing. But you are facing a temptation right now to make things too complicated. Simple is really the best way to go for a very long time.

I used the same workout for nearly 20 years, with small tweaks of course. I'm not telling you need to do that, or to model me, but I do want to encourage you to find a program that you like, and that you want to use, and to commit to it for a year.

We've given you a lot of great programs this year. The real key for you is to find one of them you love, and are willing to commit too, and to just keeping working.
5/3/1 is it for 10 months which makes a year, i agree btb
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I was a Sargeant in the Army at one time. I've also got kids older than you. My skin is pretty thick, and I don't insult that easily. I want to see you succeed in this endevour.

I may just insult you along the way in helping you. My Wife still refers to me as Drill Sargeant from time to time. I was not ever an actual drill, she just calle me that when I'm trying to get things done the way Men do!

Now drop, and give me 100.
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always knew there was somethin strict and straightforward about you, congrats on being in the military thats an honor, and thanks gl
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