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IronManlet 07-22-2010 09:39 PM

High Squats on purpose?
 
Recently I was struck with a certain phrase I read from Mark "Spud" Bartley; former world record holder in the Squat:

"The only time I Squat to depth is in competition."


My initial thought was that I had read it wrong, but there it was. Next thing that ran through my head: "How the fuk did he get strong if he didn't do full squats?"

And it was then that I realized that maybe that's the whole problem; maybe people have become so dogmatic about the full squat that they aren't putting heavy enough weights on their back to facilitate ideal strength gains. Maybe that's why THEY are not Squatting 1000lbs.

So then I had an idea: why not do some heavy partial Squats (half-squats/parallel squats) after my initial working sets? That way I'm still getting the full ROM, and also overloading my legs with the heavy poundages. Since proportionate development can get fuked sideways as far as I'm concerned, I don't see how this could hurt any.

Thoughts?

onetiredkris 07-23-2010 12:05 AM

i normally vary depth week by week.

but this friday im putting a spin on leg day: 12 sets from ATG to HALFERS

strkout35 07-23-2010 12:06 AM

is he saying he doesnt go full depth in that he does partials like halves and quarters? or is he saying he goes deep always but just not to parallel? i can see stopping shy of parallel to add some extra poundage

big_swede 07-23-2010 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by IronManlet (Post 71241)
Recently I was struck with a certain phrase I read from Mark "Spud" Bartley; former world record holder in the Squat:

"The only time I Squat to depth is in competition."


My initial thought was that I had read it wrong, but there it was. Next thing that ran through my head: "How the fuk did he get strong if he didn't do full squats?"

And it was then that I realized that maybe that's the whole problem; maybe people have become so dogmatic about the full squat that they aren't putting heavy enough weights on their back to facilitate ideal strength gains. Maybe that's why THEY are not Squatting 1000lbs.

So then I had an idea: why not do some heavy partial Squats (half-squats/parallel squats) after my initial working sets? That way I'm still getting the full ROM, and also overloading my legs with the heavy poundages. Since proportionate development can get fuked sideways as far as I'm concerned, I don't see how this could hurt any.

Thoughts?

I tryed that last week actually, going to paralell or just above as i increased the weight, got a good pinch in the hammstrings from this and i sure i could handle more weight easier, still went atg on the last 5 sets though.

Lerho 07-23-2010 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by big_swede (Post 71264)
I tryed that last week actually, going to paralell or just above as i increased the weight, got a good pinch in the hammstrings from this and i sure i could handle more weight easier, still went atg on the last 5 sets though.

How can you go ATG when you are so tall and have long limbs? I can only go JUST past parallel no matter what I do.

nighttrain 07-23-2010 06:12 AM

i think squating to paralell is fine.... i know i have personally squated 505 to just above paralell, and in doing so it has made the rest of my squat sets stronger.... its all about moving that heavy ass weight... i also believe that you just need to put that heavy ass weight on the bar, no matter if you are squatting or benching.... slap on the weight get a gooder spotter and go for broke every now and again... your body needs the shock of feeling that much weight.... again, just my 2 cents, what the 'ell do i know?????

BendtheBar 07-23-2010 06:38 AM

I aim for close but never worry about depth. Especially with the heavy sets.

I imagine Marc squats "close" to parallel most of the time. Or simply trains a little high with heavy weight. Here is is teaching arch while going deep:


big_swede 07-23-2010 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Lerho (Post 71274)
How can you go ATG when you are so tall and have long limbs? I can only go JUST past parallel no matter what I do.

When i say ATG i mean s deep as possible, (well below parallel for me)

IronManlet 07-23-2010 07:03 AM

Thanks for all the replies. ^

I had been Squatting past parallel/ATG on every single rep/set since I started powerlifting, and my Squat has been pretty mediocre, if you ask me.

I think I'll try doing some higher Squats after my normal working sets to get that extra poundage in.

BendtheBar 07-23-2010 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by IronManlet (Post 71286)
Thanks for all the replies. ^

I had been Squatting past parallel/ATG on every single rep/set since I started powerlifting, and my Squat has been pretty mediocre, if you ask me.

I think I'll try doing some higher Squats after my normal working sets to get that extra poundage in.

How close is your squatting stance?

I know that Spuds squats ultra-wide and in gear which makes is a bear to go past parallel to begin with. Not sure how he trains though. Just wanted to point out that difference.

I would simply try to get close. Close is good enough :)


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