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Old 04-15-2010, 09:14 AM   #1
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When should I consider doing the chaos/pain training style? How strong do i need to get first? I am also wondering if Jamie Lewis is a natural powerlifter?
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You can probably start using the C&P template immediately. I don't believe Jamie uses gear, but he does promote test boosters and stimulants...

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Anyone know Jamie's current height and weight? Just curious how big he is now. I saw in his blog that he gained 10 pounds last December while leaning out.
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A few blogs ago, he said he has his weight up to about 200 pounds. The guy is a monster. From the pics he posted, his upper body appears to have really filled out.
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By the way, to the OP, I think there is a C&P newbie routine in the interview with Jamie, that is posted on this site.

I'm guessing you're new to training in general? If that's the case, follow the newbie routine, which I believe is similar to a beginner's full-body routine, work on your general physical preparedness, and prime your body to work hard.
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I just read that post and missed his weight. Sleep reading, I am...

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I don't know his height though.
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I don't know his height though.
If I remember correctly, he is 5'6"

Ripped at that height and weighing what he does. Do the math.
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If I remember correctly, he is 5'6"

Ripped at that height and weighing what he does. Do the math.
i understand your point gl, but lets drop the gear aspect, i do believe his methods are valid for the natural, and so what if jamie is on the darkside now, he is still one very smart man, and his program is valuable. its not like he is one of these pro bodybuilders who are so juiced they have lost any perception of how a natural can/should train period, like i said jamie is highly intelligent, and regardless of his current status he does know what he is talking about, same as quite a few guys on here who use/ have used but still know what its like for the natural trainee.
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When should I consider doing the chaos/pain training style? How strong do i need to get first? I am also wondering if Jamie Lewis is a natural powerlifter?
you can start now, C&P is opensource allowing the user to make it fit his body. as far as his natural status, i know he used to be, but due to recent changes im not certain, he is a really sincere guy, and if he says he is i am inclined to believe him, science be damned

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You can probably start using the C&P template immediately. I don't believe Jamie uses gear, but he does promote test boosters and stimulants...

this is fine, but i liked his original a bit better
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If you're an absolute weight traning noob, you might want to try this first:

"...letís say a beginner was brave/stupid enough to ask you to train them, what would you have them do, and what tips would you give them?

Jamie: How raw a beginner?

MG: Fresh out the womb.

Jamie: Interesting. I donít think Iíve ever trained a raw beginner. I would have them train front squats, standing overhead presses, and deadlifts three times a week, and then pullups, dips, and abs two other days a week. Iíd keep the volume fairly low, especially at first, and have them focus on learning the movements.

After about a month, weíd take the training wheels off and start loading them up, but keep the routine the same."

fomr the interview here at MAB: Interview with Chaos and Pain, Jamie Lewis
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