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Old 03-24-2010, 08:56 PM   #1
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The oldtime strongmen such as reg park and the big and bad paul anderson didnt have supplements and steroids. What they did have were their wits about themselves, motivation, milk, honey, weights, the heart to push that extra rep, and their proven routines that work. Im just writing this to go with some of the great rants about how the old routines still work. Any routine that worked 50 to 60 years ago when growth enhancement came from hardwork and puberty(no supplements or steroids) obviously are key when starting to put on mass. Im not saying supplements are bad some are great but these guys used nothing more than food and their motivation. Reg park is one of the best since I found this site i have been reading reg park articles left and right. If anyone looks at his physique and thinks I want to be that big let ME POP SOME PILLS AND SHOOT SOME JUICE thats not even close to the point of me taking the time to admire the oldtime greats. So basically to say today the same ethics stand hard work, determination, an adequate routine, and good food will prevail over any supplement. I know we all know the ones im talking about whos first question is not whats the best plan i should take its always (what supplement should i take to gain). Reg park should always be followed. The older routines that worked and still work today should always be kept around. Thats what i like about this site BTB understands the older routines still work mentality as i do. I am following reg park as we speak.
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The old routines still work. I think one of the issues with the natural side of the sport is the fact that many of the genetic elites in bodybuilding - and perhaps powerlifting (I'm not as familiar with AAS and powerlifting) - know they are elite and eventually grow tired of having limited gains and progress to AAS.

"Hard work, determination, an adequate routine, and good food will prevail"...is a true statement for any lifter, natural or AAS.

There are many supplements that would have been beneficial to old time lifters, especially for recovery, but I believe these guys are differently then we did. Most old times, and correct me if I'm wrong, didn't eat a lot of rice, pasta, etc. From what I've read, earlier in this century, rice and pasta were more ethnic foods and not staples of the American diet.

Diets were more beef, bananas, potatoes, juice, etc.
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Diets were more beef, bananas, potatoes, juice, etc.
I forgot milk and eggs.
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I don't how many people have looked for these routines, but there are some here: The Golden Age of Iron Men

Jamie Lewis at C&P also writes about some of these guys from time to time and, as Coopdawg mentioned, these guys accomplished a lot through hard work and determination. Guys like Grimek worked out every day, for hours. Today, Mariusz P. does a similar kind of high-frequency, high-volume routine.

Perhaps another factor to their success, besides not being under the influence of supplement companies and ideological sources (Weider) or tempted by AAS, is the internet. In an elitefts seminar, which I just happened to find on the very same internet which I am posting this quote, Jim Wendler said that alot of his success was due to the fact that he didn't have the internet growing up.

He had to figure **** out for himself, as the men of old did too.
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I don't how many people have looked for these routines, but there are some here: The Golden Age of Iron Men

Jamie Lewis at C&P also writes about some of these guys from time to time and, as Coopdawg mentioned, these guys accomplished a lot through hard work and determination. Guys like Grimek worked out every day, for hours. Today, Mariusz P. does a similar kind of high-frequency, high-volume routine.

Perhaps another factor to their success, besides not being under the influence of supplement companies and ideological sources (Weider) or tempted by AAS, is the internet. In an elitefts seminar, which I just happened to find on the very same internet which I am posting this quote, Jim Wendler said that alot of his success was due to the fact that he didn't have the internet growing up.

He had to figure **** out for himself, as the men of old did too.
Thanks tom. And glad you see my points in this
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Perhaps another factor to their success, besides not being under the influence of supplement companies and ideological sources (Weider) or tempted by AAS, is the internet. In an elitefts seminar, which I just happened to find on the very same internet which I am posting this quote, Jim Wendler said that alot of his success was due to the fact that he didn't have the internet growing up.

He had to figure **** out for himself, as the men of old did too.
good point. i think everyone should start with a 3x5 or 5x5. after they build up a base level of strength they should try new things and see what works best for them.
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good point. i think everyone should start with a 3x5 or 5x5. after they build up a base level of strength they should try new things and see what works best for them.
KMAN nice words bro. You sounding like an expert. keep it up. BY THE WAY. this is a compliment your words were exactly on point.
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good point. i think everyone should start with a 3x5 or 5x5. after they build up a base level of strength they should try new things and see what works best for them.
I highly disagree with this. A beginner should use varied rep ranges and stick to mostly low weight and high reps, jumping to 5 rep sets would push them to lift numbers beyond their form (not only non-optimal for growth but also dangerous). A beginners body isn't even accustomed to lifting weight yet ready to max out its potential (which would just be broken in a few weeks anyway)

5x5's/3x5's and 5-3-1 shouldn't even be considered until a great deal of base muscle and strength have been acquired.
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Jim Wendler said that alot of his success was due to the fact that he didn't have the internet growing up.

He had to figure **** out for himself, as the men of old did too.
This is one of the things that I think actually helped me quite a bit. I pretty much just had me and the weights. I had to piece together my own training split based on body feedback.

No one needed to tell me that the squat was king. I kind of figured that out because it kicked my a$$. And no one needed to tell me to add weight to the bar - I thought that was the point.

One thing I'm really thankful for is that I didn't have the burden of OCD macronutrient counting and the pressure to eat all clean, all day. I'm also glad no one told me to train for mind-muscle connection, or any other number of bull**** ways to train.

I can't stress this point enough...most routines on the net are not optimal for beginners. Most lifters didn't make most of their gains on the programs they now use. I don't say that to put anyone down...its simply a reality.

Programs get complicated when gains slow down.

Simple is always better, especially as a beginner.
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This is one of the things that I think actually helped me quite a bit. I pretty much just had me and the weights. I had to piece together my own training split based on body feedback.

No one needed to tell me that the squat was king. I kind of figured that out because it kicked my a$$. And no one needed to tell me to add weight to the bar - I thought that was the point.

One thing I'm really thankful for is that I didn't have the burden of OCD macronutrient counting and the pressure to eat all clean, all day. I'm also glad no one told me to train for mind-muscle connection, or any other number of bull**** ways to train.

I can't stress this point enough...most routines on the net are not optimal for beginners. Most lifters didn't make most of their gains on the programs they now use. I don't say that to put anyone down...its simply a reality.

Programs get complicated when gains slow down.

Simple is always better, especially as a beginner.
great points BTB i see this thread is picking up some nice comments
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