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Old 04-16-2010, 12:32 PM   #51
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Dude, no worries, haha. I really don't take myself too seriously.
i dont think any of us do....
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Dude, no worries, haha. I really don't take myself too seriously.
We are always taking you seriously. I think we have 20 C&P threads.
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Old 04-16-2010, 12:34 PM   #53
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We are always taking you seriously. I think we have 20 C&P threads.
hell im sure its more than that
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Old 04-16-2010, 12:47 PM   #54
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hell im sure its more than that
Could be. But I do know we're always debating something and C&P comes up.
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Could be. But I do know we're always debating something and C&P comes up.
yup, i still laugh everytime someone refrences that interview lol.

btw what ever happened to our interview
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The oldtime strongmen such as reg park and the big and bad paul anderson didnt have supplements and steroids. What they did have were their wits about themselves, motivation, milk, honey, weights, the heart to push that extra rep, and their proven routines that work. Im just writing this to go with some of the great rants about how the old routines still work. Any routine that worked 50 to 60 years ago when growth enhancement came from hardwork and puberty(no supplements or steroids) obviously are key when starting to put on mass. Im not saying supplements are bad some are great but these guys used nothing more than food and their motivation. Reg park is one of the best since I found this site i have been reading reg park articles left and right. If anyone looks at his physique and thinks I want to be that big let ME POP SOME PILLS AND SHOOT SOME JUICE thats not even close to the point of me taking the time to admire the oldtime greats. So basically to say today the same ethics stand hard work, determination, an adequate routine, and good food will prevail over any supplement. I know we all know the ones im talking about whos first question is not whats the best plan i should take its always (what supplement should i take to gain). Reg park should always be followed. The older routines that worked and still work today should always be kept around. Thats what i like about this site BTB understands the older routines still work mentality as i do. I am following reg park as we speak.
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Sorry to burst your bubble but Reg Park was widely known as the first major bodybuilder to use anabolics.
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Sorry to burst your bubble but Reg Park was widely known as the first major bodybuilder to use anabolics.
I think someone else pointed out how test had been successfully synthesized in the early 1900s and how steroids came about and started being used by in the 20s-30s
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Sorry to burst your bubble but Reg Park was widely known as the first major bodybuilder to use anabolics.
Can you post a source for this claim. So far as I know, Reg Park was clean.

Here is a short inteview that BTB did with Reg Parks Son.

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I think someone else pointed out how test had been successfully synthesized in the early 1900s and how steroids came about and started being used by in the 20s-30s
Dr. Casey Butt has done some research on this topic, here is some of his work.

http://muscleandbrawn.com/forums/46096-post33.html

If you would like to debate this with him, it can probably be arranged, as he is a forum member.
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Sorry to burst your bubble but Reg Park was widely known as the first major bodybuilder to use anabolics.
I'm siding with Casey Butt on this one. Casey has done his research.

And from my conversation with Reg's son Jon Jon, I really can't fathom Reg having used roids at any point.

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All reliable sources - publications by Terry Todd, John Fair, Randy Roach, Bill Starr, etc, as well as interviews and letters from John Ziegler, John Grimek, Bill March, etc - indicate that experimentation with testosterone for athletic purposes began in the U.S. sometime in either late 1954 or 1955. These 'trials' were short-lived, however, as the results were disappointing and testosterone use was deemed ineffective and carried the risk of harmful side-effects. A statistical analysis of Olympic-style Weightlifting performances published in the International Journal of the History of Sport concluded that Soviet athletes likely first used testosterone sometime between 1952 and 1956.
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There is not one shred of evidence (other than the fact that Butenandt isolated testosterone in 1935), outside of trickled down rumours and heresay, to support the idea that this has any relation to testosterone usage by athletes or bodybuilders. If there is, post it, otherwise it's just more baseless speculation.

There is no evidence whatsoever to support the idea that testosterone was given to soldiers so they could survive on minimal food. For one, it is more costly and inefficient to produce and administer testosterone than any type of food ration. Again, talk with no substance. In any case, it is irrelevant because testosterone as a substance was not FDA approved for prescription in the U.S. and U.K. until 1950. Before that no western pharmaceutical company produced it other than small isolated batches for lab research purposes because there was no legal market for it. If any of the pre-drug era bodybuilders were using testosterone before that then not only did they know more about the application of testosterone to athletic performance than any sports physician or androgen researcher in the world, but they were also isolating it in labs themselves because they did not have a source. That is unlikely to the point of being practically impossible.

Several pusblished statistical analyses of Weightlifting totals have shown that testosterone use in athletes began between 1952 and 1954. No "athlete" in the world has even been suspected of or shown to be using it before that.

I have been researching steroid history for 10 years. What I have presented are the facts - all are researchable and verifiable. You appear to have done a Google search for "testosterone history".
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