Muscle and Brawn Forums
 

Go Back   Muscle and Brawn Forums > Training > Powerlifting & Strength Training
Mark Forums Read
Register Articles Members List Search Today's Posts

Notices

Powerlifting & Strength Training Topics related to powerlifting and strength training.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-29-2013, 03:57 PM   #1
BendtheBar
Bearded Beast of Duloc
Max Brawn
 
BendtheBar's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Louisiana
Posts: 76,867
Training Exp: 20+ years
Training Type: Powerbuilding
Fav Exercise: Deadlift
Fav Supp: Butter
Reputation: 2774165
BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!
Default Now That You're Strong...Comments For A Late Intermediate Lifter

This was originally posted in Davis' log, but wanted to share.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Davis View Post
This was a tough one really. I didn't think it would be too tough to complete, but it was. It made me wonder, how much harder is it going to get?
Well first off know that you did 3 compound lifts in one session. 2 is about the max I recommend at your level.

Quote:
How much more "****" is it going to take to get to a 550 lb squat? A 330 lb bench? A 600 lb deadlift?
Could take years. Once that base is built it's an entirely new game. Programming can rarely be random and effective anymore. Not saying yours was by any means. Just saying that as a beginner to intermediate, dedicated guys will gain on about anything.

There aren't many guys at an average meets that lift more than this at 242 and lower, AAS or not.

Quote:
And so on... How much patience and will am I going to have to exhibit to get a 225 lb strict press?
How much patience? All of it. You can't predict results from here. Even if you program the hell out of things, it might take 10 years to get to 600, 400, 650 raw at your weight. It might take 5. It might take 2. You may never get there.

You have to focus on what you can control. This is key. Training smart, looking at what other Elite lifters do, trying things wisely. Evolving training based on needs.

All you can do is focus on what you can control.

Quote:
how often will I wake up with crippling soreness as my weights get heavier and workouts more brutal?
You don't have to beat yourself up. I am never sore anymore. You need to train smart, not to kill yourself.

Until 6 weeks ago, I've never felt better in my life. And I was at my strongest.

Quote:
How hard is it going to be to truly be a strong man?
Easy. Brute is one. Compete now.

Quote:
A pro card?
To quote Paul Carter:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Carter
So over the weekend I made a post on the LRB Facebook page, that had a few people up in arms.

Basically, I talked about understanding your limits. That we all have them, and in order to have a chance at moving past them, you need to know what they are.

Of course the young, dumb, and full of cum group shows up to tell me they are going to move mountains and drink the ocean dry through a twisty straw. It never fails. It's always the young unaccomplished assholes that believes they will be the next Jerry Rice before he's even made it off the bench in high school.

While contrary to that, all of the really great lifters and athletes I've ever known, were generally very low key guys that understood what their limitations were, or that getting to another level would be incredibly difficult.

The weekend I was in Iowa, I talked to Eric Lilliebridge about Konstantinov's junior deadlift record of 858. He told me a while back he wanted to break it, but he acknowledged he's running out of time and that it's going to be very tough to do. Especially in a full meet, where the pull tends to lose some steam near the end. Eric is a very humble guy, and while I know Eric has belief in himself that he has a chance to do this, he's very aware of how difficult that will end up being. He doesn't just bust off "oh yeah man, that'll be no problem, that shit is in the bag." He shakes his head and says "it'll be tough."

But this is why Eric is great. It's the same reason why guys like Dan Green are great. Dan's story about going to Russia is a great example of this. He was a 600-something squatter at the time, and after watching Pozdeev out squat him by 200 pounds, he realized what the issue was. He didn't have the quads to squat 800+.

Now if Dan wasn't the thinker that he is, and the "all balls no brains" type, he probably doesn't come to that realization. He probably just continues to do what he had been doing all the while not understanding what his limitations were. But Dan's a smart dude, and he changed his training in order to fix his limitations. And eventually, he was squatting over 800 pounds.

One coach messaged me over this post and said.......

"focus on starting before concentrating on being all-American. Even all the HS kids I train now- I think it's great if they have NFL aspirations, but I'm constantly working on getting them to be the best HS football player they can be before getting caught up in the other shit."
Quote:
How hard is that really going to be?
Very hard. Most people quit. It will be REALLY hard if you don't love what you do.

Relax, have fun, lift shit. Don't pressure yourself to be whatever, just go get strong - wisely. And compete. No excuses. Competition is a game changer. You'll know what you want and don't want once you compete more often.

Quote:
How long will that take?
Impossible to answer. Most never make it.

Quote:
How much am I willing to risk? Is it worth it?
You shouldn't risk anything until it's Superbowl-level time. Period, end of story.

Before that Elite level it should be fun and hard work, and one small goal at a time.

Quote:
For just a moment of glory and a small bit of renown and notoriety?
One in 2 million receive fame, and even then it's a niche sport.

The winners don't do it for fame. They do it to win.
__________________
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Destroy That Which Destroys You

"Let bravery be thy choice, but not bravado."



Last edited by BendtheBar; 12-02-2013 at 10:23 AM.
BendtheBar is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old 11-29-2013, 04:16 PM   #2
big_swede
Senior Member
Max Brawn
 
big_swede's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: sweden
Posts: 13,293
Training Exp: 5
Training Type: Strongman
Fav Exercise: Cable flyes
Fav Supp: Celltech
Reputation: 571837
big_swede is one with Crom!big_swede is one with Crom!big_swede is one with Crom!big_swede is one with Crom!big_swede is one with Crom!big_swede is one with Crom!big_swede is one with Crom!big_swede is one with Crom!big_swede is one with Crom!big_swede is one with Crom!big_swede is one with Crom!
Default

My tips:

1, You must really learn to love the journey, not the goals.
2, If you dont allready have, find a group of likeminded people to train with and also to learn to kniw as friends. This is essential for progress and to have people to discuss and trade ecperiences with. Also the friendly competition that tends to rise in such groups are the best for pushing it that extra 10%.
3, Compete in strength sports. Whatever it may be, gripsport, powerlifting, strongman just go for it. Dont focus on beating everyone else, at first you probably wont, challenge yourself and kill it.
__________________
big_swede is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2013, 07:35 PM   #3
jdmalm123
Less is More
Max Brawn
 
jdmalm123's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Colorado
Posts: 5,625
Training Exp: 25!
Training Type: Powerbuilding
Fav Exercise: Squats
Fav Supp: Cookies&Cream Whey
Reputation: 809208
jdmalm123 is one with Crom!jdmalm123 is one with Crom!jdmalm123 is one with Crom!jdmalm123 is one with Crom!jdmalm123 is one with Crom!jdmalm123 is one with Crom!jdmalm123 is one with Crom!jdmalm123 is one with Crom!jdmalm123 is one with Crom!jdmalm123 is one with Crom!jdmalm123 is one with Crom!
Default

this all rings true for me.

youth and desire used to be enough to do it all. Even then, i tended to specialize when I should have been training more generally.

Now, I need to start specializing so I can get the reward of being very good at something, but not hurt or overextend myself by trying to do it all.

Progress also S-L-O-W-S down significantly. Trying to fight it ends up wasting more time.

I went from linear progression last year and was adding 40-50 lbs per month...Now that I'm closer to my limits I'm doing less overall, I'm adding 10 lbs per month and only adding a few reps per month to big lifts then starting over (with new weights) every 4 weeks.

Should have done this months ago, but had to understand that, at age 39, the rules are starting to change.

the secret is this: For experienced lifters, it's not the workout that drives improvement, it's the recovery.
__________________
"You must have a very strong reason for doing an exercise. If you don't, scrap it and move on." -Jim Wendler
jdmalm123 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2013, 07:50 PM   #4
Dray
Senior Member
Max Brawn
 

Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 7,082
Reputation: 474499
Dray is one with Crom!Dray is one with Crom!Dray is one with Crom!Dray is one with Crom!Dray is one with Crom!Dray is one with Crom!Dray is one with Crom!Dray is one with Crom!Dray is one with Crom!Dray is one with Crom!Dray is one with Crom!
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jdmalm123 View Post
at age 39, the rules are starting to change.
Aww man... really?

About to turn 39, any day now. Sheeeit.
Dray is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2013, 08:51 PM   #5
jdmalm123
Less is More
Max Brawn
 
jdmalm123's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Colorado
Posts: 5,625
Training Exp: 25!
Training Type: Powerbuilding
Fav Exercise: Squats
Fav Supp: Cookies&Cream Whey
Reputation: 809208
jdmalm123 is one with Crom!jdmalm123 is one with Crom!jdmalm123 is one with Crom!jdmalm123 is one with Crom!jdmalm123 is one with Crom!jdmalm123 is one with Crom!jdmalm123 is one with Crom!jdmalm123 is one with Crom!jdmalm123 is one with Crom!jdmalm123 is one with Crom!jdmalm123 is one with Crom!
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dray View Post
Aww man... really?

About to turn 39, any day now. Sheeeit.
For me, at least!

You're probably smarter, stronger and better looking!
__________________
"You must have a very strong reason for doing an exercise. If you don't, scrap it and move on." -Jim Wendler
jdmalm123 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2013, 09:55 PM   #6
Dray
Senior Member
Max Brawn
 

Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 7,082
Reputation: 474499
Dray is one with Crom!Dray is one with Crom!Dray is one with Crom!Dray is one with Crom!Dray is one with Crom!Dray is one with Crom!Dray is one with Crom!Dray is one with Crom!Dray is one with Crom!Dray is one with Crom!Dray is one with Crom!
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jdmalm123 View Post
For me, at least!

You're probably smarter, stronger and better looking!
Bwahaha. Yeah, right!

Onwards and... downwards it is then. *sigh*



Dray is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2013, 09:25 PM   #7
bamazav
Bigger, Stronger, BAMA!
Max Brawn
 
bamazav's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Virginia Beach, VA
Posts: 5,211
Training Exp: 8
Training Type: ARGH!!!
Fav Exercise: Squats
Fav Supp: Deadlifts
Reputation: 256864
bamazav is an elite memberbamazav is an elite memberbamazav is an elite memberbamazav is an elite memberbamazav is an elite memberbamazav is an elite memberbamazav is an elite memberbamazav is an elite memberbamazav is an elite memberbamazav is an elite memberbamazav is an elite member
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dray View Post
Aww man... really?

About to turn 39, any day now. Sheeeit.
Crap. I don't even remember 39 any more. I turn 50 in a few weeks and stronger now than I have ever been. Every day is a new challenge. I just try to meet them with my best.
__________________
David, Husband, Father, Pastor
(Yasen Miroslav Zavadil)

Getting focused to get better.

"If there is nothing you can improve on, your standards are too low!" - BAMA Strength Coach Scott Cochran

1Co 9:27 But I discipline my body and keep it under control, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified

My training Log
bamazav is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2015, 02:29 PM   #8
dlocas
Senior Member
Max Brawn
 
dlocas's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Quebec City (Canada)
Posts: 1,683
Training Exp: Started in Jan. 2013
Training Type: Strongman
Fav Exercise: Deadlift
Fav Supp: Mac and cheese
Reputation: 138685
dlocas is a master memberdlocas is a master memberdlocas is a master memberdlocas is a master memberdlocas is a master memberdlocas is a master memberdlocas is a master memberdlocas is a master memberdlocas is a master memberdlocas is a master memberdlocas is a master member
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dray View Post
Aww man... really?

About to turn 39, any day now. Sheeeit.
I'd like to add something about my age. I'm 43 and thus far, I don't feel the rules have changed that much for me. I train with lots of volume and working a lift multiple times each week (3-4 x is commonplace). I vary the loads and intensity, but some weeks are plain brutal. I keep adding small PRs, and still train like I still was 25, and will do so unless I'm proven otherwise. If Mark Felix, 49, did not have that type of mindset, he wouldn't have been a finalist in this year's World's Strongest Man. Having an off day now and then is normal; grinding at 80% ain't, but I haven't experienced it. Just train smart and hard, and write everything down. The training log doesn't lie!
__________________
6'1" 262 lbs Off-season training
Best Deadlift = 525 x 1
Best Clean & Press = 210 x 1

Last edited by dlocas; 10-22-2015 at 02:32 PM.
dlocas is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2015, 03:16 PM   #9
Got2Squat
Senior Member
Max Brawn
 

Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 945
Training Exp: 2 years.
Training Type: Powerlifting
Fav Exercise: Deadlift
Fav Supp: Consistency
Reputation: 52708
Got2Squat is a lifting beastGot2Squat is a lifting beastGot2Squat is a lifting beastGot2Squat is a lifting beastGot2Squat is a lifting beastGot2Squat is a lifting beastGot2Squat is a lifting beastGot2Squat is a lifting beastGot2Squat is a lifting beastGot2Squat is a lifting beastGot2Squat is a lifting beast
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dlocas View Post
I'd like to add something about my age. I'm 43 and thus far, I don't feel the rules have changed that much for me. I train with lots of volume and working a lift multiple times each week (3-4 x is commonplace). I vary the loads and intensity, but some weeks are plain brutal. I keep adding small PRs, and still train like I still was 25, and will do so unless I'm proven otherwise. If Mark Felix, 49, did not have that type of mindset, he wouldn't have been a finalist in this year's World's Strongest Man. Having an off day now and then is normal; grinding at 80% ain't, but I haven't experienced it. Just train smart and hard, and write everything down. The training log doesn't lie!
Amen about the age thing....I don't use this as an excuse. I expect progress and results, and I never say "well, at my age....." That's BS. That doesn't mean I am not aware of where I need to use caution. I avoid the fast lifts(power cleans, snatches, etc) because it is proven that older lifters are more injury prone for these types of lifts.

I don't feel that I am disadvantaged in the slightest compared to a younger lifter in their 20's. In fact, I think I have many advantages. I have the dedication, maturity, and willpower to be consistent and smart with my training. I think this overcomes and surpasses any advantage most younger lifters might have. I am not naive enough to believe that a younger lifter might have some recovery advantages, but I am dedicated enough to focus on getting enough sleep and eating properly. A 20 year old is just as likely to stay up all night partying and drinking. No disrespect meant towards any of the dedicated younger lifters on this board, but I think the differences people attribute to age are blown way out of proportion in most cases, up to a certain point. I am sure things won't be quite so easy when I am 60, but at 44, I have my sights set on goals that I feel are just as lofty as they would be if I were in my 20's.


Now my goal is to get strong without qualifiers. What do I mean by that? I don't want to just be strong "for my size" or "for my age" or "for how long I've been training". I want to be strong. Period.
__________________
"Whether you think you can, or think you can't--you're right."
- Henry Ford


Squat 455
Bench 300
Deadlift 510
Total 1265 @ 198
Wilks 383

Last edited by Got2Squat; 10-22-2015 at 05:25 PM.
Got2Squat is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2015, 06:43 PM   #10
Kyle Aaron
community gym PT
Uber Brawn
 
Kyle Aaron's Avatar
 

Join Date: May 2010
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 260
Training Type: General Fitness
Fav Exercise: deadlift
Fav Supp: milk
Reputation: 41068
Kyle Aaron is a lifting machineKyle Aaron is a lifting machineKyle Aaron is a lifting machineKyle Aaron is a lifting machineKyle Aaron is a lifting machineKyle Aaron is a lifting machineKyle Aaron is a lifting machineKyle Aaron is a lifting machineKyle Aaron is a lifting machineKyle Aaron is a lifting machineKyle Aaron is a lifting machine
Default

I have a lifter who has been with me for more than 3 years.

2011 March she herniated a couple of discs in her back, bad sciatica
Into the swimming pool for 6 months
Into the gym for 6 months, cable rows, that sort of thing
2012 April she starts training with me. Her first "deadlift" was hinging at the hip with no weight.
Then a dumbbell in her hands.
Then a cable hinge.
Then rack pulls.
Then deadlifts.
2012 August she deadlifted her bodyweight of 60kg for the first time. She also benched the 20kg empty bar for the first time.
2013 March she pulled 80 at a meet, benched 25.
2014 June she pulled 100 at a meet, benched 30.
2015 June she pulled 110 at a meet, benched 30.
2015 August it was 115 in the gym, benched 31.5, minor injury took her out of the meet she was going to 10 days later.
In December she should pull 115 at a push-pull meet. She would like to bench 32.5, we'll have to see. She is benching 30kg better than ever before, another 2.5kg doesn't seem like much of a stretch to most, it's more to a woman, more still to an older person, and at a meet it's really a paused bench so take some weight off what you can do in the gym.

She turned 67yo in May. Someone her age said she was lucky to be strong and able to do things. Luck? She's done 3 workouts a week for more than 3 years - over 500 workouts. Comes when she's sick. Injured? "Okay, so what can I do instead?" Husband died, she came to training the next day - she couldn't be with her family that day, so she came to the gym, second family.

Luck.

How many thousands of reps and hundreds of hours to put 5 or 10kg on her deadlift. How much work just to have her bench press basically stuck for 18 months.

Dave Tate talks about this. Most people do one meet and then are never seen again. I've trained dozens of people for 3-6 months, I'm thinking, great, now we've built the base, let's see what they can do. Then they go. It got hard. Tate says, if you have a crew of lifters, you're lucky if 1 or 2 others are still in it 2 years later. How many do it for 10 years?

This is what it is, ladies and gentlemen. Just keep showing up and lifting. Maybe your lift edges up. Maybe it's stuck for two years. Maybe it drops back. Your job is hard, you got sick, you pulled a muscle, your kid got married, there's bursitis in this joint, traffic sucks, an impingement here and torn cartilage there.

You keep showing up and lifting.

This shit is hard. Me and my crew haven't accomplished much in the big numbers. But we keep showing up and lifting. Not all of us, but some of us.

Luck.
__________________
Athletic Club East - curing iron deficiency
Current trainees' best lifts: ♀ 130/72.5/160 at 68kg, ♂ 230/130/245 at 108kg
Kyle Aaron is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Comments on Jason's New Obsession SaxonViolence General Fitness & Health 20 08-07-2013 03:45 PM
Strangest comments/questions you've had 5kgLifter General Board 20 05-12-2013 02:39 PM
Intermediate lifter switching from Madcow to U/L Split _J_ Muscle Building and Bodybuilding 2 02-22-2012 03:59 PM
How to Deadlift Sticky Questions and Comments Bodybygamma Muscle Building and Bodybuilding 41 01-04-2012 03:24 PM
Five Things I Needed To Change as an Intermediate Lifter big_swede Powerlifting & Strength Training 28 08-26-2011 12:16 PM

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:46 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.