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Old 12-02-2013, 11:18 AM   #11
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Old 12-02-2013, 01:26 PM   #12
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Thanks, Steve. I didn't realize you had posted this here in the powerlifting section too. For that, thank all others who responded too.

I don't sit and think on these questions all the time. It was just a small moment of thought that I thought was interesting. A lot of it was fueled from reading the Paul Carter quote a few months ago, and then Clint Darden's recent video about sports. I love this sport. I'm really looking forward to doing a strongman comp. Should my tuition easily get paid for I'll be doing one in January. If I can't afford that $60, I plan on doing one in March. I've wrote some in my log recently about how this has become "my heroin". I look forward to going into the gym daily, and competitions, trophies, or nothing, I just enjoy lifting things.

Thanks for the responses, because I know it is about to get harder to get stronger.
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Old 12-14-2013, 02:24 PM   #13
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Awesome post Steve. I think every beginner and intermediate lifter should read this.

I'd just like to share something of my personal experience to this.

I see many lifters be it bodybuilder or powerlifter posting about this program or that they are doing and expecting quick gains. I've been doing this a long time. Much of that time has been wasted making various mistakes. I've left lifting and returned to it a few times. I've followed bad programs combined with bad diets. I wasn't genetically gifted to begin with (not to launch into a tangent on that).

I'm going to mention the program I was just on not to advocate anything in particular but to make a point. For the past few months I have been doing a twice/week program with a heavy/light day setup. One day was 10x3 and the other was 10x10. Week in and week out I hit bench hard 2x/week using this approach. Workouts were long and hard. The 10 sets of triples were straining and the 10 sets of tens were draining (that rhymed).

I've heard both of these programs referred to as "shock" programs before. I've heard outrageous claims of 10x3 putting 30 lbs on your bench in a month and 10x10 putting on 10lbs of muscle in 6 weeks. Now I don't wish to argue over whether I was overtraining...I've built my work capacity up over months and years of training and I was recovering.

My point is I went in, I did grueling work, logged it and went home. I continued this week after week on a program some people would call crazy or others would say should turn me into Arnold if I can recover from it. I'm at a point where there won't be any 30lbs on your bench fast programming. I added 2.5 lbs a week until I stalled, reset 10lbs and repeated. I hoped for 5 lbs in 4-6 weeks and I got it. I added 10lbs or so to my bench and squat. I had no crazy expectations and I did it even when I wasn't sure I would make it.

This is the attitude you have to adopt. "Do you work and go home. Do what you do and get what you get". This should be your mantra. Your graph of progress might not be a nice looking continuous slope, in fact I can promise you it won't be. In all the time I did that program I never bragged about or even thought how "intense" or "hardcore" I was being. Those who adopt that attitude or approach are sure to fail. I was simply training and monitoring progress. If the training isn't getting results, make some changes. I assure you that the road ahead is long, hard and wrought with many perils. Do not be discouraged and always see your failures as what they are - a valuable learning experience in the iron game.

Sorry if that got rambly. Over and out!

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Starting to compete is a game changer indeed! Had I not competed in strongman last year, I probably wouldn't have block pulled 515 for a double this week nor push pressed 200 lbs for reps; I'm preparing for a hard competition and this gives me the will for progression (and the will to educate myself so I don't spin my wheels).

I didn't made it to the finals in that competition, so what? I had fun and discovered an incredible camaraderie. The kind you see in WSM 1986 with the likes of Jon-Pall Sigmarsson (he was such a gentleman, hugging and encouraging everyone; he truly loved his sport and had tons of respect for every other guy - I miss him). That 600-lb deadlift is somewhere in the background, but my concern is more on "how to get this 515 off the floor?" and then "between this competition and the next, I'll have time for a short cycle that may give me an extra 10 lbs".

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Aww man... really?

About to turn 39, any day now. Sheeeit.
I'd like to add something about my age. I'm 43 and thus far, I don't feel the rules have changed that much for me. I train with lots of volume and working a lift multiple times each week (3-4 x is commonplace). I vary the loads and intensity, but some weeks are plain brutal. I keep adding small PRs, and still train like I still was 25, and will do so unless I'm proven otherwise. If Mark Felix, 49, did not have that type of mindset, he wouldn't have been a finalist in this year's World's Strongest Man. Having an off day now and then is normal; grinding at 80% ain't, but I haven't experienced it. Just train smart and hard, and write everything down. The training log doesn't lie!
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I'd like to add something about my age. I'm 43 and thus far, I don't feel the rules have changed that much for me. I train with lots of volume and working a lift multiple times each week (3-4 x is commonplace). I vary the loads and intensity, but some weeks are plain brutal. I keep adding small PRs, and still train like I still was 25, and will do so unless I'm proven otherwise. If Mark Felix, 49, did not have that type of mindset, he wouldn't have been a finalist in this year's World's Strongest Man. Having an off day now and then is normal; grinding at 80% ain't, but I haven't experienced it. Just train smart and hard, and write everything down. The training log doesn't lie!
Amen about the age thing....I don't use this as an excuse. I expect progress and results, and I never say "well, at my age....." That's BS. That doesn't mean I am not aware of where I need to use caution. I avoid the fast lifts(power cleans, snatches, etc) because it is proven that older lifters are more injury prone for these types of lifts.

I don't feel that I am disadvantaged in the slightest compared to a younger lifter in their 20's. In fact, I think I have many advantages. I have the dedication, maturity, and willpower to be consistent and smart with my training. I think this overcomes and surpasses any advantage most younger lifters might have. I am not naive enough to believe that a younger lifter might have some recovery advantages, but I am dedicated enough to focus on getting enough sleep and eating properly. A 20 year old is just as likely to stay up all night partying and drinking. No disrespect meant towards any of the dedicated younger lifters on this board, but I think the differences people attribute to age are blown way out of proportion in most cases, up to a certain point. I am sure things won't be quite so easy when I am 60, but at 44, I have my sights set on goals that I feel are just as lofty as they would be if I were in my 20's.


Now my goal is to get strong without qualifiers. What do I mean by that? I don't want to just be strong "for my size" or "for my age" or "for how long I've been training". I want to be strong. Period.
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I have a lifter who has been with me for more than 3 years.

2011 March she herniated a couple of discs in her back, bad sciatica
Into the swimming pool for 6 months
Into the gym for 6 months, cable rows, that sort of thing
2012 April she starts training with me. Her first "deadlift" was hinging at the hip with no weight.
Then a dumbbell in her hands.
Then a cable hinge.
Then rack pulls.
Then deadlifts.
2012 August she deadlifted her bodyweight of 60kg for the first time. She also benched the 20kg empty bar for the first time.
2013 March she pulled 80 at a meet, benched 25.
2014 June she pulled 100 at a meet, benched 30.
2015 June she pulled 110 at a meet, benched 30.
2015 August it was 115 in the gym, benched 31.5, minor injury took her out of the meet she was going to 10 days later.
In December she should pull 115 at a push-pull meet. She would like to bench 32.5, we'll have to see. She is benching 30kg better than ever before, another 2.5kg doesn't seem like much of a stretch to most, it's more to a woman, more still to an older person, and at a meet it's really a paused bench so take some weight off what you can do in the gym.

She turned 67yo in May. Someone her age said she was lucky to be strong and able to do things. Luck? She's done 3 workouts a week for more than 3 years - over 500 workouts. Comes when she's sick. Injured? "Okay, so what can I do instead?" Husband died, she came to training the next day - she couldn't be with her family that day, so she came to the gym, second family.

Luck.

How many thousands of reps and hundreds of hours to put 5 or 10kg on her deadlift. How much work just to have her bench press basically stuck for 18 months.

Dave Tate talks about this. Most people do one meet and then are never seen again. I've trained dozens of people for 3-6 months, I'm thinking, great, now we've built the base, let's see what they can do. Then they go. It got hard. Tate says, if you have a crew of lifters, you're lucky if 1 or 2 others are still in it 2 years later. How many do it for 10 years?

This is what it is, ladies and gentlemen. Just keep showing up and lifting. Maybe your lift edges up. Maybe it's stuck for two years. Maybe it drops back. Your job is hard, you got sick, you pulled a muscle, your kid got married, there's bursitis in this joint, traffic sucks, an impingement here and torn cartilage there.

You keep showing up and lifting.

This shit is hard. Me and my crew haven't accomplished much in the big numbers. But we keep showing up and lifting. Not all of us, but some of us.

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