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BendtheBar 10-05-2013 12:19 AM

Ass to Grass Squats
 
I thought ATG squats would be a good topic.

What do you feel the pros are?

Cons?

Who could do them?

Should they be done?

Gorship 10-05-2013 12:32 AM

I drop down as low as I can go, which is basically until im sitting on my ankles and calves. As far as i know thats ATG, so I do them? I couldn't really squat any other way after doing it for so long.

Dray 10-05-2013 12:43 AM

Doing them all the time would be, I imagine, not only unnecessary but also a bit naff, if you're a powerlifter, or looking to be one at some stage.

For some other kinds of athlete, they might be quite useful.

Bodybuilders (and "muscles/aesthetics first" types in general), I don't know either way. What little I do know about lifting is generally more in the powerlifting/strongman/olympic/sports areas. Even then, not that much, as yet. :p


I can see a similar argument being made for them, as for deficit deadlifts. Could be true (that there's a valid "Pro" argument to be made along those lines). Just a thought.


edit: If you have the flexibility to do them properly and safely, and you're not a competing powerlifter (maybe even if you are...) then why not do them sometimes, really. :dunno2:

fenrisulfr 10-05-2013 01:50 AM

My opinion is that a squat is below parallel. Period the end. What benefit is there to purposely trying to get as low as possible? If one is doing an atg squat you are not using heavy weight and training a proper squat, as such another actual rep with full ROM could have or may have been accomplished for the set.
Depth or dishonor.

Gorship 10-05-2013 02:05 AM

Still, besides just saying that doing them all the time would be bad.. I havnt heard any reasons why.

Why would you not do a full range of motion?

http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle.do?id=1767210

Article form T-nation has some good stuff :)

big_swede 10-05-2013 02:24 AM

Best way to build massive quads. Check out Tom Platz, he never stopped at paralell :)

Dray 10-05-2013 03:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gorship (Post 413662)
http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle.do?id=1767210

Article form T-nation has some good stuff :)

Nice find. Thanks for posting the link. Much to think about, all in all (especially given that, in my case, I started squatting by doing ATG high bar, but in more recent times adopted the low bar "just below parallel" method). Hm...


Quote:

Originally Posted by big_swede (Post 413666)
Best way to build massive quads. Check out Tom Platz, he never stopped at parallel :)

And a great point there, Swede. Dayumn, dem quads! :mh:

Gorship 10-05-2013 03:15 AM

Again, at the end of the day. Your comfort and strength is up to you. After watching the power-lifting during Olympia. People have so many variations of high bar/ low bar, the only thing in common is everyone descended slowly to depth and stood up, which I think, even if you do ATG squats, you would train yourself to do for meets.

I could be mistaken, but I believe also there is a stretch reflex that comes into play, whereby when you stretch the muscle out (which you will do by sinking deep) and then powering out, using that reflex really helps in your overall flexibility and strength.

Ill have to search around for the names of these things.

Carl1174 10-05-2013 03:43 AM

IMHO ATG squats are overall better for you than parallel. I think taking any movement through its entirity is more beneficial than doing partial reps, which a parallel squat, again IMO, is.

I dont stop the bar 3-4 inches above my chest on bench and dont do quater reps on curls etc etc so why do it on squats.

Plus the hamstrings get involved when I go past parallel and recruiting more muscles cant be bad, cant it?

I think there is also a lot of presure put on the knee to reverse the movement at parallel, rather than taking the move to, what I feel, is the natural conclusion.

Children dont parallel squat when they pick things up, the go ATG, and that is a natural movement.

Who can do them... I think anyone with enough flexibility, my Mrs CANT squat down without her heels coming off the floor, but Im sure a pair of Oly shoes whould sort that out... If she ever decided she wants to do some squats that it ;)

IainK 10-05-2013 05:57 AM

If I wasnt a powerlifer thats how I would probably do them aka very close to a full Rom.

As an aside the average depth of people whom claim to do atg squats is approx parallel :) lol

I like doing em. Get right down job done. No guess workno cutting. Add a pause for even more fun!


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