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Old 06-12-2013, 07:22 PM   #1
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Doing a Smolov squat cycle on a calorie deficit is stupid. So I'm gonna do it. My shoulder is still too messed up to put any real effort into my bench (although I'm probably only days from being able to bench again) and my main concern has been my squat anyways, so I'm going to give it a go even though I'm cutting with the apex predator diet (A cyclical keto diet).

I'm now accepting bets. How does everything think I'll do?

A. I'll add 200lb to my squat while cutting into the body of a greek god.
b. I'll only maintain my squat while I cut.
c. I'll die.
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Old 06-12-2013, 07:35 PM   #2
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Ill pray for you. how much of a deficit are you on?
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I LOVE THIS ATTITUDE!!---> the Smolov squat cycle on a calorie deficit is stupid so I am going to do it....LOL


On the diet side, I think it depends on how you respond to low or no carbs (Keto), and how you arrange your fats and protien. The macro arrangement is important, as it can make difference on how you may feel when you make the switch to using other sources of fuel other than carbohydrates. Some will say that if you get lethargic, low energy, headaches, its because fats (proteins) are not high enough, this is not always the case with each person. But, it is one of the first places one would look when having these issues.

The other is your training methods (or approach). I do not know if you have ever done high reps (when liver depleted) and on low-carb, prior to re-feed, but it is an aweful experience. Powerful fat-reduction results, in the end...of things, but an aweful experience. My experience, has been that a person with a high calorie trend history entering into a ketogenic diet, tends to do pretty well for a set time, till the liver depletes, water retention drops (for a temporary time), and lower calorie consumption history starts to sand bag, and then some strength and endurance will drop--but this just depends on calorie consumption, and macro arrangement, when this sets in and how long, and when the "switch" occurs things get improved.

I am very familiar with the ketogenic diets, but I am not familiar with Smolov's Squat cycle. What are the sets and rep ranges on this method? Have you tried a keto type diet before soldier? How did you respond to it, and what did you do?




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Ill pray for you. how much of a deficit are you on?
No idea. I'm not measuring anything. It's not that kind of diet, but I'm definitely on a deficit.
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I LOVE THIS ATTITUDE!!---> the Smolov squat cycle on a calorie deficit is stupid so I am going to do it....LOL


On the diet side, I think it depends on how you respond to low or no carbs (Keto), and how you arrange your fats and protien. The macro arrangement is important, as it can make difference on how you may feel when you make the switch to using other sources of fuel other than carbohydrates. Some will say that if you get lethargic, low energy, headaches, its because fats (proteins) are not high enough, this is not always the case with each person. But, it is one of the first places one would look when having these issues.

The other is your training methods (or approach). I do not know if you have ever done high reps (when liver depleted) and on low-carb, prior to re-feed, but it is an aweful experience. Powerful fat-reduction results, in the end...of things, but an aweful experience. My experience, has been that a person with a high calorie trend history entering into a ketogenic diet, tends to do pretty well for a set time, till the liver depletes, water retention drops (for a temporary time), and lower calorie consumption history starts to sand bag, and then some strength and endurance will drop--but this just depends on calorie consumption, and macro arrangement, when this sets in and how long, and when the "switch" occurs things get improved.

I am very familiar with the ketogenic diets, but I am not familiar with Smolov's Squat cycle. What are the sets and rep ranges on this method? Have you tried a ket type diet before soldier? How did you respond to it, and what did you do?




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I did something very similar to what I'm doing now when I did the metabolic diet, but at the time my training was completely different. I was preparing for basic training and carb depletion hit me hard, but I was also doing highly glycogen depleting training.

Smolov is a very intense mesocycle based program that runs 15 weeks and is completely focused on a single lift. It's generally not high rep and the complete opposite of what I was doing last time I tried any form of low-carb dieting.
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Doing a Smolov squat cycle on a calorie deficit is stupid. So I'm gonna do it. My shoulder is still too messed up to put any real effort into my bench (although I'm probably only days from being able to bench again) and my main concern has been my squat anyways, so I'm going to give it a go even though I'm cutting with the apex predator diet (A cyclical keto diet).

I'm now accepting bets. How does everything think I'll do?

A. I'll add 200lb to my squat while cutting into the body of a greek god.
b. I'll only maintain my squat while I cut.
c. I'll die.

In the past, I trained in a deficit for 3 years, no breaks doing a 6-day/week bodybuilding cycle, + 2-4 days of running, + full time work on my feet, + JROTC

I gained very little body total weight, got proportionally very strong and was 4% BF.

However, my lifestyle, age and metabolism were all perfectly aligned.

You are going to feel pain and probably gnaw off a bed post in your sleep!

Go for it!
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A A A A A ! Simply based upon the fact that your a total tank, Soldier.
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that's kind of the approach i took when i hurt my knee.
i couldn't squat so i figured i'd do smolov jr. for bench to keep me busy.
all while trying to drop 20 pounds of bodyweight.
it did not go well for me.
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No one can ever accuse you of not ever taking on a monumental challenge. Anything can be done when your head is in the game. Love the attitude, and Linden is right, your a tank, and your preparing for one battle at a time. Go get it Soldier!
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