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Old 05-25-2013, 09:02 AM   #11
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There is a big difference between "box squatting" and just squatting to a box.
There is also a very big difference between hurting and actually being injured.

If your knee is really injured then you need rest, not squats. During the recoup process, when you are working back to doing heavy squats, a reduced range of motion (ROM) may be all you can safely handle. I'd rather use a box to stop my ROM and not re-injure my knee. Of course this would also mean using light weights and increasing your ROM over a period of time by using a lower and lower box until full ROM is achieved.

I might also add that for lifters with existing and permanent injuries and a serious need to protect themselves from re-injury, a reduced ROM may actually keep them lifting and progressing, where as a full ROM may keep them on the couch with further medical bills.

So basically what I'm saying is, if there is a GOOD reason to reduce your ROM, and it allows you to keep getting stronger and bigger, then go for it. But if there is NOT a good reason to reduce your ROM, then you are just cheating yourself of the full benefits of the exercise. I also think there is bias because of the word "SQUAT" in the article (which I haven't read fully yet). If they had used Dips or BTNP, then I think people would be more apt to agree with the author. I am also not seeing the same bias towards the deadlift.

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Old 05-25-2013, 10:06 AM   #12
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Every thing we do is bad for us.

Squat high, squat low....who cares.

The only people that need to be concerned with depth are powerlifters.
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Old 05-25-2013, 11:40 AM   #13
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A shallow free squat, there is no way in hell I'd recommend that for knee pain/injury. the box throws in something new I have little experience with. I can see it being less stressful on the knees with a box, but I dunno.
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My father in law calls squats, "deep knee bends."
haha that's right. i think that's what they were called in the original York Barbell manuals
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Haven't read the article...


Personally, I can't jump rope (bear with me) because it affects one knee which I injured a long time ago, I can however squat without pain and I always go to parallel or just below.

Runners do use partial 1/4 squats (or similar) purely for the speed out of the blocks which sets their limbs/joints at that angle. So, they may not utilise full squats as much, whether it affects their knees, who knows.
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Old 05-25-2013, 09:58 PM   #16
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I agree with OR. Another example is Dave Tate doing high box squats after total hip replacement. However, the way his article is worded just screams stupidity.

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Knee pain is most commonly associated with deep knee bends. The fix for this is simple – exercises with a shallow knee bend.
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Old 05-25-2013, 10:29 PM   #17
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Years ago, at my old commercial gym, all my squats were above parallel as I honestly thought that was the correct way to do them, since that is the only way I ever saw anybody doing them. Pretty sad really. However, after joining the forum, I soon came to realize my error and problem. After resetting my weight big time, and using a box to train my ass where to stop, and gaining more flexibility, I finally learned how to get deep after about a year. Good thing too, because at my last meet I got red lighted on my 1st attempt for depth, so I was then forced to bury my next 2 squats. Good thing i had the ability. As far as the knees go, I have never had any knee pain since learning to get deep.

Besides, getting deep is more fun. I am now trying to incorporate a bit of a bounce out of the hole.
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That was a bullshit article. Sad thing is that its on T Nation and somebody is gonna read it and use it as an excuse to be a pussy cause of knee pain. I actually started powerlifting after a knee injury. For some time my knee hurt a lot but after almost 5 years, it feels better than before I started. I still have pain but it is mild and a lot of time associated with hamstring or quad tightness. I've also been squatting without knee sleeves. That is a first since I started powerlifting.

Who the hell is the author anyway? What's his expertise?
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I don't know, any time I've had knee pain in the past few months while squatting, I just tried to assess what I was doing. Usually I've been able to be pain free after focusing on the direction of my knees at the start of the ascent. Maybe for something else, squatting higher MIGHT be fine at times in terms of preserving the knee.
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