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Old 01-13-2013, 06:50 PM   #1
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BtB lifted with me on Saturday. Did a little deadlift form work after benching, and then he had me try Sumo Deadlift. I felt very comfortable pulling that way, and really liked it alot! The weight was about 55-60% of my max conventional, but I believe I could have done much more. I just started a new cycle and have only done deads for week one, so it's not as if I'm halfway through a 12-16 week cycle.
What's the best way to transition to doing Sumo as my main dead? Is there anything "wrong" in doing this? I would still do conventional, but not as often or possibly as an accessory lift.
I was thinking of resting up a little then testing out a max Sumo. Then doing them as my main dead work.
Is this a bad idea? I along with many, have had my issues with conventional. I'm not giving up on them, ever! But Sumo felt "right" to me, I used more of my legs, and my legs need lots of help.
Thoughts and or ideas are appreciated, thanks
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Old 01-13-2013, 06:57 PM   #2
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Hunter, i transitioned to Sumo years ago. for me it allows me to get my ass down, and pull more with my legs.. and it feels better. i think it all depends on the person, IMO if it feels better than go with it. i Do SLDL as an ancillery excercise, i can reall feel those in my hams. i think you will be fine with Sumos, and you can always also so regular deads in addition..

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Hunter, i transitioned to Sumo years ago. for me it allows me to get my ass down, and pull more with my legs.. and it feels better. i think it all depends on the person, IMO if it feels better than go with it. i Do SLDL as an ancillery excercise, i can reall feel those in my hams. i think you will be fine with Sumos, and you can always also so regular deads in addition..

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Agree with all of the above comments.

That said, I have always done conventional, tried Sumo recently and was surprised at how much easier it felt. However, I was only using about 70%, so the weight being lighter certainly helps in thinking that it is easier.

I think testing out your max sumo is a good idea. Then you will know if it really is better for you. You might find it is easier with lower weights and damn hard on heavy weights. Who knows?

As for transitioning, just replace your deadlift sets, although I would go a bit lighter no matter what as it i a new exercise.

But, no matter what it is worth an experiment. Give it a go and see what happens. It certainly won't hurt your conventional strength. Might even compliment it, and the break your low back gets might well have that coming back a hell of a lot stronger too.

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Even if you were to pull Sumo in competition I probably wouldn't do the majority of your training with Sumo, I'd keep SLDL (done heavy) as your main assistance. Certainly if your form needs work and you KNOW what you're trying to work on then fine, drill the Sumo. That's a key point as well, people talk about drilling volume on a lift to correct form BUT if they don't actually know what in the hell they're trying to correct then it's futile. But I see that all too often.

For the majority of your pulling I'd smash the crap out of the SLDL.
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The best deadlifters deadlift a LOT. They do sumo and conventional, pull from the floor, rack, deficit, snatch grip, do power cleans, high pulls, etc

I am kind of in the same position as you: I am unsure which way to pull so I'm just doing both. What's the worst that could happen?
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Even if you were to pull Sumo in competition I probably wouldn't do the majority of your training with Sumo, I'd keep SLDL (done heavy) as your main assistance. Certainly if your form needs work and you KNOW what you're trying to work on then fine, drill the Sumo. That's a key point as well, people talk about drilling volume on a lift to correct form BUT if they don't actually know what in the hell they're trying to correct then it's futile. But I see that all too often.

For the majority of your pulling I'd smash the crap out of the SLDL.
Well I've done more, and done less pullin conventional. My set up position is or seems different every pull. My biggest problem is hips rising up first or too fast and basically RDLing it up. I'm going to continue to work on it, but I liked the way Sumos felt. It felt very natural to me like that's the way to lift. I'm not experienced enough or smart enough to know all my issues or problems. But definetly want give Sumos a run for awhile. Seems most are saying to do SLDL so I'll do those and do conventional pulls also or on a different day. My head limits me on how much I can accomplish in each session, but I'll see how it goes.
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Well I see a downside, you can only learn so many movement patterns successfuly in a (hopefully) short period of time. Decide which you're going for and nail it.

For you Hunter I'd say you do want to drill Sumo a lot, and potentially moreso than SLDL. Your form isn't strong enough yet that you could justify doing many (or even any) assistance exercises.

Looking at those videos, you seem to know in your mind what the right position is, but as you pull your body pulls you out of the right groove to complete the lift. So for you in this case, drilling the actual lift over and over will work.

BUT ONLY if the form is perfect. Practice doesn't make perfect, perfect practice makes perfect.

Drill Sumo, at a weight you can MAINTAIN that arch you begin with and build up from there.
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Thanks men! Just wanted to make sure I wasn't makin a big mistake. I'll rest up til I feel good and give a max test a go. I don't know if I'll get up to a 405 pull like I did with BtB, but I still don't know how I pulled that anyhow .
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I just wish I would have thought of recommending you try Sumo a long time ago. Just roll with it Jay and don't over think it.
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