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Old 09-10-2012, 11:44 AM   #11
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Good point. Piggybacking this with what Rippetoe said, knees forward would also comprise hamstring tightness - if I am understanding what he said correctly.
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Old 09-10-2012, 11:57 AM   #12
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Good point. Piggybacking this with what Rippetoe said, knees forward would also comprise hamstring tightness - if I am understanding what he said correctly.
Ye this is something that helped me, keeping the tension on the hams keeps my knees back and feel a lot better squatting. Also looking down and forcing my shoulders into the bar as opposed to head back and around the bar has made a huge difference with locking my back in a decent position before squatting and avoiding the forward lean in the hole.

In regards to the first video, I think his problems come from his foot position. Looks to me like he's trying to go wide stance without turning the toes out like Dave Tate teaches. I find it near impossible to force the knees out like that and the hips lock up, that can pull at the torso and also forces the knees forward to make depth.

I could easily be wrong.
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Old 09-10-2012, 12:01 PM   #13
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I am guilty of leaning too far forward when getting near my max either in weight or rep terms. Also guilty of starting the descent with the knees, working hard to fix it. I do keep the bar over the middle of the feet though.
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Old 09-10-2012, 12:03 PM   #14
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I think my squat looks like Ripptoes except I keep my head up. I almost feel I might look a little like the first guy towards the end of my working sets but, the personal trainers at my gym say my squat looks pretty good... Atleast I hope I'm doing it right!
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Old 09-10-2012, 12:06 PM   #15
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In regards to the first video, I think his problems come from his foot position. Looks to me like he's trying to go wide stance without turning the toes out like Dave Tate teaches.
Perhaps he watched the Louie video that references wide stance toes in. Starts around 3:50-ish.

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Old 09-10-2012, 12:11 PM   #16
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Perhaps he watched the Louie video that references wide stance toes in. Starts around 3:50-ish.
This is what I was thinking, I can squat like that but it pulls my knees in and puts crazy amounts of torque on my hips and knees.

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I can't squat toes in, wide stance.

I also am not a fan of beginning lifters getting all squat funkadelic and trying things like this before they build a strong base. I'd rather see them work with a natural stance, improve form and build a strength base.

But hey, I'm just a grumpy old man, so mileage may vary.
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This is what I was thinking, I can squat like that but it pulls my knees in and puts crazy amounts of torque on my hips and knees.

Elitefts.com: LTT-TV - Squat Foot Position - YouTube
ditto. i can't internally rotate my legs much at all.
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Haha, this is exactly how I squat! Bad times...
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I see guys moving their hips back before they initiate the squat, and leaning more forward. 9 times out of 10 then end up with a more good-morning style squat because of it.

Who are people picking this up from? I see it far too frequently for it to be random.

Here is an example. It's a mild one. Many are much more exaggerated with greater forward lean.

225 squat with green bands for 3 @145bw - YouTube
You can thank Westside and Supertrainingand all the geared lifters alike who can't raw squat for $hit who advocate breaking out their hips so they can dunk into there suit and let the suit do the whole negative phase.
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