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Mr.Silverback 08-07-2012 09:35 PM

Powerlifting, a paralympic sport
 
So a friend of mine who is training for the paralympic powerlifting team sent me the roster she will be on...which begged the question "how is it a paralympic sport but not an olympic support?" Can some body shed light on this for me? Been pondering it all day:confused:

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Jen 08-07-2012 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Silverback (Post 266407)
So a friend of mine who is training for the paralympic powerlifting team sent me the roster she will be on...which begged the question "how is it a paralympic sport but not an olympic support?" Can some body shed light on this for me? Been pondering it all day:confused:

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I was told it has something to do with there not being one main international federation that everyone recognizes. I have no idea if this is true -- just what I've heard.

Fazc 08-08-2012 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Jen (Post 266426)
I was told it has something to do with there not being one main international federation that everyone recognizes. I have no idea if this is true -- just what I've heard.

I think that could be part of it, but that's only really an issue in the States where Powerlifting is very fragmented. Across the rest of the world the IPF is fairly well recognised as the federation that would be chosen for this kind of thing. That has changed in recent years even in the UK as we have 3 new feds in the past 6 years, but these arguments were going on well before that happened. I think the real issue is that there is already a static barbell sport in the Olympics. Having two would be too similar.

(I'm for more federations, by the way. I don't agree with the stance that the IPF has over equipment. )

I think Strongman has a much better chance of getting into the Olympics. At least in the UK, the Olympics have already authorised their name to be used as part of a series of 'Olympic Strongman' competitions lined up for the next year. So that's a big boon for them and a very positive nod in that direction. We may even see Strongman as a guest sport in the next Olympics if this is any indication.

Bodybuilding as well is sufficiently different to warrant inclusion, in my opinion.

BendtheBar 08-08-2012 07:28 AM

I guess the question I have is...are paralympic athletes capable of Olympic lifts? And if not, perhaps powerlifting slid in as a strength option for some of the reasons mentioned.

Fazc 08-08-2012 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by BendtheBar (Post 266468)
I guess the question I have is...are paralympic athletes capable of Olympic lifts? And if not, perhaps powerlifting slid in as a strength option for some of the reasons mentioned.

Yeah, that's what I think the real reason is.

If they hadn't got rid of the Press from Weightlifting I don't think Powerlifting would be anywhere near as popular as it is now.

Hazzard 08-08-2012 07:59 AM

I think Steve is right. I read the either day it used to be called weightlifting as well.

BendtheBar 08-08-2012 08:06 AM

Regarding our sport as an Olympic sport, there are some questions that we each need to ask, I guess. Ones I don't have the answers to yet.

By supporting the smaller feds are we encouraging the fragmentation of our sport?

Are the smaller feds necessary? Do they fill needs the bigger feds don't, and that the bigger feds should listen too?

Has the competition side of the sport been minimized over the years because of the reality that very few of us at meets have others in our weight class to match up against? Is this good for the sport?

Is it good for the sport to hold meets in hotel conference rooms, etc.? Does this really honor the sport/is it good for the sport?

Is the sport going the way of the IFBB, where it's bigger (lifts) is better at any cost. I guess this is directed at training gear. Is gear good for the sport?

Please don't jump on me for any of these questions. I am not stating my opinion by posting them, but rather asking powerlifters for their opinions.

Fazc 08-08-2012 09:17 AM

Good questions, I'll give you my take:

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Originally Posted by BendtheBar (Post 266477)
By supporting the smaller feds are we encouraging the fragmentation of our sport?

I used to think so, but we would really have to know the Olympics views on this. Are they really after one unifying federation or would they pick the largest global one i.e. the IPF and not even consider the rest? Who knows. I don't neccessarily think we are encouraging the fragmentation of the sport by supporting smaller feds.

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Are the smaller feds necessary? Do they fill needs the bigger feds don't, and that the bigger feds should listen too?
I think the situation here in the UK is somewhat similar to that of the US in terms of motivation to change, albeit it's naturally on a larger scale over there. The smaller feds do bridge that gap. I was very firmly for the BDFPA and IPF here for a long while, but now I get deeper involved especially in the equipped side I just don't want to be walking around with 700lbs on my back. IPF aren't going to change in that regard and continue to ignore technological innovations like the Monolift.

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Has the competition side of the sport been minimized over the years because of the reality that very few of us at meets have others in our weight class to match up against? Is this good for the sport?
This is an issue, and not something I feel I have much of an answer to.

This is why we have Youtube I guess lol!

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Is it good for the sport to hold meets in hotel conference rooms, etc.? Does this really honor the sport/is it good for the sport?
I've had some hosted in prisons before. I don't think this matters much.

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Is the sport going the way of the IFBB, where it's bigger (lifts) is better at any cost. I guess this is directed at training gear. Is gear good for the sport?
Is gear good for the sport? Perhaps not. Is it good for the lifters? A resounding yes.

Again this is another issue I was very firmly against for a long while, equipment in Powerlifting. But if I continued with that stance my career in Powerlifting would have been very short. As far as I'm concerned it's idealism versus realism here. Idealism say's no support gear, walking out lifts 'like the old-timers did' (gotta love that). Realism say's I ripped my goddamn hamstring off the bone 6 years ago, and there's not been a year gone by in this decade or the last that I haven't been under at least 500lbs for the better part of that year. So that takes it's toll and unless you've really been there you just don't know.

Just my take on it.

kitarpyar 08-08-2012 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Fazc (Post 266465)
I think the real issue is that there is already a static barbell sport in the Olympics. Having two would be too similar.

Maybe, that is the case. But if we can have different styles of swimming like butterfly, freestyle etc as separate events; if we can have different types of contact sports (wrestling, judo, boxing) as separate events, why not have different types of barbell sports too?


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Originally Posted by Fazc (Post 266465)
Bodybuilding as well is sufficiently different to warrant inclusion, in my opinion.

With regard to bodybuilding, unfortunately, due to IFBB, I believe there is too much of a public misconception about this sport, and that negativity, more than anything else is holding it back. An argument I have heard before, against including bodybuilding is that it is too subjective - unlike a 100 mts dash where there is a clear winner, here we have judges who make decisions that are sometimes hotly contested. But then, gymnastics are just as subjective, so maybe this isnt much of an argument after all.

Fazc 08-08-2012 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by kitarpyar (Post 266506)
Maybe, that is the case. But if we can have different styles of swimming like butterfly, freestyle etc as separate events; if we can have different types of contact sports (wrestling, judo, boxing) as separate events, why not have different types of barbell sports too?

I liked your post Kit :) I would love to see Powerlifting in the Olympics and as you rightfully say there are many different swimming and contact disciplines so why not for strength sports too. However I think the popularity and history of those sports also has something to do with it.

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But then, gymnastics are just as subjective, so maybe this isnt much of an argument after all.
Yes I think Bodybuilding has a good chance, it's a sport judged on style like gymnastics rather than on more tangible factors like weightlifting. The drug factor would make a difference though. But hey why would that even be any different? Hulk up in the off-season and move to less detectable compounds pre-Olympics.


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