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Old 08-10-2011, 10:54 AM   #1
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* "For breakfast they ate 24 eggs and 3 pounds of smoked bacon; porridge with cream, honey, marmalade and tea with plenty of sugar. At three o'clock they had dinner: ten pounds of meat was consumed with vegetables (but not much potatoes); sweet fruits, raw or cooked, sweet cakes, salads, sweet puddings, cocoa and whipped cream and very sweet tea. Supper, after the show, they had cold meat, smoked fish, much butter, cheese and beer. Following this they had a chat and at one o'clock went to bed."
* "The Saxons did have a "health drink" which I presume they concocted themselves. The ingredients were dark lager beer (or Dublin stout) mixed with Holland gin, the yolk of an egg and plenty of sugar. "It is a very good but strong drink" was the Saxon opinion, "but, if you are not used to it you will get dizzy very quickly." It seems to me that one would have to be a very strong man in the first place, in order to drink it."
* "Later, in England, as performers, Hermann and Kurt were partial to sweet foods and sugar. They tried very hard to gain weight but in spite of sweets and a terrific appetite, sometimes consuming one pound of butter between them, they failed to gain weight; sometimes only a few pounds which they could not hold. Arthur, the oldest, did not care for sweets and butter; even as a child he did not care for butter. Instead of butter he would use the lard from pork."
* "Their three o'clock dinner consisted mostly of roasted or fried meat, beef, pork or veal, not much potatoes, plenty of salads with oil just as in their childhood. Sometimes they had vegetables, but always lean meat. Every day they had pudding-yorkshire, rice, sago, etc., but very sweet. Then there was always raw or cooked fruits and nothing to drink. Sometimes, on one day during the week, they roasted poultry, goose, chicken, or turkey."
* "One day during the week they had fried or boiled fish, plenty of butter and toast but no potatoes. At six o'clock they had "tea"-this was mostly raw minced meat with raw onions, German bread and plenty of butter; sometimes sweet cakes and coffee were substituted."
* "Their late supper included herrings (when they could get them) and eaten in the same manner they had become accustomed to in childhood. The herrings were sometimes used in salad form; they made their own mayonnaise with raw whipped eggs and oil. There never was any whisky or brandy at home. Even as children they did not care for milk and as men they developed no taste for it. At "tea" time they very often had whipped cream. They did not care for boiled eggs, instead, they went big for poached eggs with plenty of butter."(Gadreau)
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That, my friends, is ****ing eating. Saxon was never fat on this diet, which would tend to lead one to believe that the more you lift (the Saxon Trio spent 4-6 hours a day training with near limit poundages) the more you need to eat. Additionally, I'll go out on a limb and suggest that at least part of the reason for the Saxons' legendary strength was their heavy utilization of foods heavy in saturated fats, which are positively correlated with endogenous testosterone levels (Volek)
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Saturated fat is not the demon it has been made out to be by the political agenda of a few people in power.

I've was having a conversation with a friend recently where I put forth the idea that the lower the caloric intake in your diet, the higher the fat content should be in your daily PCF ratio.

Sacrifice carbs in your diet, not the fat.
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So you're saying eat fewer carbs? How can you build muscle without carbs?
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So you're saying eat fewer carbs? How can you build muscle without carbs?
For some (myself included) fewer carbs means less junk in the trunk (bodyfat). We only need to eat what is vital to support training effort and recovery.
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How can you build muscle without carbs?
Yes
Carbs don't build muscle, and protein needs fat.

Fat is a better form of energy, and I did not say to cut out all carbs.
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Because *fewer* doesn't mean *none*.
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I'm trying to learn so forgive all my questions. I thought a 30/50/20 PCF ratio was the best?
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I'm trying to learn so forgive all my questions. I thought a 30/50/20 PCF ratio was the best?
Like all things in training, nothing is written in stone. Everyone is different and has different needs.

What works now is likely to not work at some point in the future.

It's a journey! Enjoy the journey!
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Best for what?

There is a HUGE political agenda that makes a lot of money off of the low fat lifestyle in this Country and around the world. Carb based foods are not as evil as Weider, but they have been given a place of importance in the food chain that is not deserved. You don't need to make fat you're primary nutrient source, but it is not the evil to be avoided that bad science, and political agenda's have labeled it with.

Just as your training should be kept simple, so should your diet. If you're hungry, eat. If your not, don't. Eat as much real food as possible, but don't worry about having some junk.


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