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andys_trim 04-25-2011 04:15 PM

Casein Protein
 
About 3 weeks ago, I ran out of Whey Protein. Since I didn't have any money to buy more, I decided I would just drink my casein protein after I lift and see what happens. I just wanted to start this thread to share some results and maybe start a discussion.

In the weeks that I have been drinking my casein protein instead of whey after my workouts (and making a few changes in my workouts), I have seen almost immediate results. My girlfriend, mother, and people at school have began to start commenting on changes in my physique. I decided to measure to see if they were just being nice, or if there were noticeable changes.

In my arms alone, I have seen 1/2 inch growth. I have close to a full inch in each leg! In the mirror, there is definitely a noticeable difference in my chest, shoulders, and back. I am attributing this to drinking my casein protein after my workout instead of whey.

This is more to start conversation, and not bragging. I am considering sticking with casein full time instead of switching back to whey.

BendtheBar 04-25-2011 04:20 PM

Very insightful post Andy. It's good to hear this is working better for you.

Are you drinking any casein before bed, or just post-workout? And what do your whole foods meals look like post-workout?

andys_trim 04-25-2011 04:22 PM

I drink it after my workout and before bed. Also I forgot to mention that it is mixed with whole milk. I eat almonds also post workout. I don't eat anything else until after my class. Then I usually eat chicken or steak with some veggies.

My main reason for posting this is because I've always been told. Whey = fast release. Casein = slow release. After your workout, you want whey so the protein will get to your muscles fast. If you don't do that, then you are wasting your time. And now my results are sort of contradicting that.

big_swede 04-25-2011 04:36 PM

Thats great progress andy, and good post!

BigJosh 04-25-2011 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andys_trim (Post 132897)
I drink it after my workout and before bed. Also I forgot to mention that it is mixed with whole milk. I eat almonds also post workout. I don't eat anything else until after my class. Then I usually eat chicken or steak with some veggies.

My main reason for posting this is because I've always been told. Whey = fast release. Casein = slow release. After your workout, you want whey so the protein will get to your muscles fast. If you don't do that, then you are wasting your time. And now my results are sort of contradicting that.

I read somewhere recently that the whole whey = fast release and casein = slow release idea that we often see marketed is a bit exageratted. Particularly in regard to casien. Pretty much (according to what I read) the idea that Casien is slow in the sense that it can take hours upon hours to digest is really a misconception.
Just thought I'd throw that out there.

Good job with your progress.

Oh one other thing, correct me if I'm wrong, but one of the drawback to casien vs. whey, would be the price, would it not?

Rich Knapp 04-25-2011 05:42 PM

You can take in fats with your whey and it will slow down to be almost the same as casein. Personally casein digests so slow the Lucien in it that triggers protein synthesis in your body, never hits 3grams (the level needed to trigger it) so I will keep to the whey. Are you sure the results ain't due to nutrition changes or hitting the weights more intense? Gains like that can not what so ever be contributed to 1 change. ;)

andys_trim 04-25-2011 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigJosh (Post 132903)
I read somewhere recently that the whole whey = fast release and casein = slow release idea that we often see marketed is a bit exageratted. Particularly in regard to casien. Pretty much (according to what I read) the idea that Casien is slow in the sense that it can take hours upon hours to digest is really a misconception.
Just thought I'd throw that out there.

Good job with your progress.

Oh one other thing, correct me if I'm wrong, but one of the drawback to casien vs. whey, would be the price, would it not?

I got a 5 pound tub of casein for $40. So it isn't that bad.

andys_trim 04-25-2011 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich Knapp (Post 132904)
You can take in fats with your whey and it will slow down to be almost the same as casein. Personally casein digests so slow the Lucien in it that triggers protein synthesis in your body, never hits 3grams (the level needed to trigger it) so I will keep to the whey. Are you sure the results ain't due to nutrition changes or hitting the weights more intense? Gains like that can not what so ever be contributed to 1 change. ;)

My only nutrition change is adding a whole bunch of whole milk and cheese. My changes in training have been adding super sets to my workouts. Maybe all 3 are working together to jump start some gains.

Rich Knapp 04-25-2011 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andys_trim (Post 132921)
My only nutrition change is adding a whole bunch of whole milk and cheese. My changes in training have been adding super sets to my workouts. Maybe all 3 are working together to jump start some gains.

Super sets alone will make a huge diffrence. Maybe take the same lay out but with whey and keep logs. Dont rule out whey with a unbalanced test. ;)

andys_trim 04-25-2011 07:07 PM

Will do. Have to come up with $$$ first. Unless I win the second isoFUEL contest ;)


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