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Abaddon 03-03-2011 09:50 AM

Abaddon's Soy Experience
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BendtheBar (Post 120617)

Exhibit A: Supplementation
Locally manufactured (if you're a yank), cold pressed soy protein isolate. 40-80 grams per day

Soy Protein Isolate
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Qbn7fW161E.../s1600/SPI.jpg

Exhibit B: Result
Significant increase in muscle mass and strength accompanied by a small, steady loss of scale weight (6 kgs / 13 lbs) over a 10 month period

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_HVD-HJ_zPu...oulder%2B1.jpg

BendtheBar 03-03-2011 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abaddon (Post 120634)
[B]Exhibit A: Supplementation
Locally manufactured (if you're a yank), cold pressed soy protein isolate. 40-80

Soy is still one of the world's worst foods.

BendtheBar 03-03-2011 10:17 AM

From the referenced link:

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Confused About Soy?--Soy Dangers Summarized

* High levels of phytic acid in soy reduce assimilation of calcium, magnesium, copper, iron and zinc. Phytic acid in soy is not neutralized by ordinary preparation methods such as soaking, sprouting and long, slow cooking. High phytate diets have caused growth problems in children.
* Trypsin inhibitors in soy interfere with protein digestion and may cause pancreatic disorders. In test animals soy containing trypsin inhibitors caused stunted growth.
* Soy phytoestrogens disrupt endocrine function and have the potential to cause infertility and to promote breast cancer in adult women.
* Soy phytoestrogens are potent antithyroid agents that cause hypothyroidism and may cause thyroid cancer. In infants, consumption of soy formula has been linked to autoimmune thyroid disease.
* Vitamin B12 analogs in soy are not absorbed and actually increase the body's requirement for B12.
* Soy foods increase the body's requirement for vitamin D.
* Fragile proteins are denatured during high temperature processing to make soy protein isolate and textured vegetable protein.
* Processing of soy protein results in the formation of toxic lysinoalanine and highly carcinogenic nitrosamines.
* Free glutamic acid or MSG, a potent neurotoxin, is formed during soy food processing and additional amounts are added to many soy foods.
* Soy foods contain high levels of aluminum which is toxic to the nervous system and the kidneys.

The above soy dangers and our Myths & Truths About Soy are available in our Soy Alert! trifold brochure for mass distribution.
Studies Showing Adverse Effects of Soy

1. Studies Showing the Toxicity of Soy in the US Food & Drug Administration's Poisonous Plant Database (7.5M PDF)
2. Studies Showing Adverse Effects of Dietary Soy, 1939-2008
3. Studies Showing Adverse Effects of Isoflavones, 1950-2010

BendtheBar 03-03-2011 10:18 AM

Non-fermented soy is about the worst foods on the planet.

Also, feeding soy milk to babies is one of the worst nutritional blunders in the history of mankind.

Abaddon 03-03-2011 10:24 AM

Let the Royal Flaming commence.

Trevor Lane 03-03-2011 10:38 AM

If you can get ahold of raw milk I guarantee you will tolerate it and you would be a gazillion times better off mixing that with some eggs (yes raw eggs are completely safe and you won't taste them in the milk) for post-workout protein supplementation than using soy.

Abaddon 03-03-2011 09:39 PM

I will say this again, for your benefit Trevor: I use A2 milk, which has one of the 2 kinds of casein found in regular milk removed from it. I can stomach this milk, and as a consequence am drinking quite a lot of it daily.
I use it in my breakfast and PWO shakes, both of which have a scoop of soy in them.

IF I switch my SPI for any variety of whey - whether it be isolate or a blend, I suffer abdominal cramping, flatulence and diarrhoea. Without fail.

I've been using soy PI now for nearly a year, and have made great gains, with no side effects.

Eggs are great - but I discovered a while back that the frozen egg white liquid I had been adding to my shakes was exposed to some de-naturing processes during its manufacture, so I scrapped it.

WRT this egg white liquid though, if you can convince me I am wrong to have scrapped it, by all means I will happily include it in my shakes again.

But I'm not scrapping my SPI. It works, and it doesn't harm me the way diary-based protein powders do.

Abaddon 03-04-2011 03:09 PM

bump.

Abaddon 03-04-2011 03:30 PM

Bump. Bump. FKN bump.
That's what I thought.

Trevor Lane 03-04-2011 03:37 PM

Dude, just crack a couple eggs into the milk, shake well, and enjoy.


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