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Old 01-15-2010, 10:52 AM   #1
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I've been doing a lot of reading lately on forms of dieting that avoid starches and sugars. I am currently reading "Good Calories, Bad Calories." At the core of most of these books is the belief that lean meat, fruits and veggies (and nuts, possibly cheese) is a superior diet for losing fat. And more then that, this diet is more of a lifestyle, allowing you to eat freely during the day.

And as some of you know, C&P runs a modified version of this diet and is lean and muscular.

I have started integrating this dieting style, and may switch over completely. I am wondering what your general thoughts are on this form of eating for gaining muscle. It goes against convention bodybuilding wisdom.

Do you believe this form of eating is viable for gaining muscle for the Average Joe, even if it's very difficult to eat in calorie surplus?

I'm not aiming this at myself - for I have little to no muscle left to gain unless I jump to AAS. I'm asking in general.

It's very hard to "eat too much" with this lifestyle. Do you believe that the Average Schmoe could gain muscle on a Paleo-style lifestyle?
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Old 01-15-2010, 11:20 AM   #2
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I've been doing a lot of reading lately on forms of dieting that avoid starches and sugars. I am currently reading "Good Calories, Bad Calories." At the core of most of these books is the belief that lean meat, fruits and veggies (and nuts, possibly cheese) is a superior diet for losing fat. And more then that, this diet is more of a lifestyle, allowing you to eat freely during the day.

And as some of you know, C&P runs a modified version of this diet and is lean and muscular.

I have started integrating this dieting style, and may switch over completely. I am wondering what your general thoughts are on this form of eating for gaining muscle. It goes against convention bodybuilding wisdom.

Do you believe this form of eating is viable for gaining muscle for the Average Joe, even if it's very difficult to eat in calorie surplus?

I'm not aiming this at myself - for I have little to no muscle left to gain unless I jump to AAS. I'm asking in general.

It's very hard to "eat too much" with this lifestyle. Do you believe that the Average Schmoe could gain muscle on a Paleo-style lifestyle?



Absolutely, yes!!! In fact it may be the best BB style diet there is. It keeps your metabolism in a much more balanced state. It's the difference between nutrient dense food, and calorie dense food.

Grains are nothing more than filler foods. Grains fill the empty space but do not offer the sustenance that meat, fruit, and veggies do.

The down side to this style of diet is the cost. You need to shop carefully, and make smart choices with what you purchase. It's easy to fill up on crap food. They call it junk food for a reason.
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Uhhmmm....I didnt know there was any "other" way to eat.

Its always been lean meats, steamed veggies, and fresh fruit. I also drink 2 cups of skim milk 3 times a day with my main meals.

Im pretty lean, I could be leaner yes, but Im also extremely muscular.
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Uhhmmm....I didnt know there was any "other" way to eat.

Its always been lean meats, steamed veggies, and fresh fruit. I also drink 2 cups of skim milk 3 times a day with my main meals.

Im pretty lean, I could be leaner yes, but Im also extremely muscular.
I assume you ate this way primarily when putting on most of your muscle?

And I believe you're the exception. I would wager that a very small portion of bodybuilders eat more Paleo-style without any carbs.

I'm also wondering how a underweight, 5'10" 130 pound guy would fair with this approach. Do you guys believe he would gain muscle, or would the (most likely) caloric deficit be detrimental?

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The down side to this style of diet is the cost. You need to shop carefully, and make smart choices with what you purchase. It's easy to fill up on crap food. They call it junk food for a reason.
So how do you feel on loosening the tight restriction on lean meat to make it more cost effective? I'm not saying shovel meat fat, but rather purchasing fattier cuts of meat to save money...

Do you believe this style of eating still holds its merit?
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I assume you ate this way primarily when putting on most of your muscle?

And I believe you're the exception. I would wager that a very small portion of bodybuilders eat more Paleo-style without any carbs.

I'm also wondering how a underweight, 5'10" 130 pound guy would fair with this approach. Do you guys believe he would gain muscle, or would the (most likely) caloric deficit be detrimental?



So how do you feel on loosening the tight restriction on lean meat to make it more cost effective? I'm not saying shovel meat fat, but rather purchasing fattier cuts of meat to save money...

Do you believe this style of eating still holds its merit?
Yes, definately.

You can trim the meat yourself, as well as the method of cooking can reduce how much fat you actually consume. You just need ot shop smarter, and be educated on how to prepare your food.
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It would allow for alot of lean gains, when i was trying to gain i would always ramp my fat intake to crazy high levels, because it is a huge part of hormone production, also recently even though i have been eating less than normal, a bit under maintenance, i have noticed some muscle gains, as long as you keep your lifting progressive, you will get bigger
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It would allow for alot of lean gains, when i was trying to gain i would always ramp my fat intake to crazy high levels, because it is a huge part of hormone production, also recently even though i have been eating less than normal, a bit under maintenance, i have noticed some muscle gains, as long as you keep your lifting progressive, you will get bigger
Watch how high you raise you fat intake. Studies have showed that once you get above about 30% of your calories from fat you start to lose the benefit!
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So how do you feel on loosening the tight restriction on lean meat to make it more cost effective? I'm not saying shovel meat fat, but rather purchasing fattier cuts of meat to save money...
Steve their is a study that showed you can actually wash the beef with hot water and a strainer that you are cooking and greatly reduce the fat. I will find the study and post it for you, I have it on my laptop somewhere. I have been using this method for probably over a year with great results(Used it during my prep). I just cook my beef, rinse as the directions say, put it back in a pan and add seasoning.
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Steve their is a study that showed you can actually wash the beef with hot water and a strainer that you are cooking and greatly reduce the fat. I will find the study and post it for you, I have it on my laptop somewhere. I have been using this method for probably over a year with great results(Used it during my prep). I just cook my beef, rinse as the directions say, put it back in a pan and add seasoning.
That sounds interesting. I generally eat mostly ground turkey or beef, and turkey and beef patties, but lean ground beef is really the cost culprit for me. I also eat tilapia, tuna, and chicken, of course, but those foods get somewhat boring for me.
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One aspect of the Paleo is that there is a restriction on eggs. I'm not sure if C&P goes for eggs, but man I can eat me some eggies. Pass the hot sauce and onions.

What do you guys think about eggs in this lifestyle/approach?
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