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Old 05-02-2013, 03:26 PM   #1
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Just finished my last scoop of whey protein powder yesterday.

I don't really have allot of money, so buying a new 40 tub would be a pretty big set back.

Was wondering if I really need it, and if I can ditch it and just have an extra meal post workout instead.

I know there's the whole deal with the anabolic window, that suggests that because whey doesn't have to be digested, it goes straight to your muscles to repair them more efficiently as opposed to food that takes longer.

Sounds like BS to me but I just thought I'd make sure before I make the decision.

Ditch it or buy a new tub?
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First things first, before we tackle nutrition yet again. . .

What have you learn about progression schemes and how to implement them?
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First things first, before we tackle nutrition yet again. . .

What have you learn about progression schemes and how to implement them?
I know now how to implement them, its just doing so thats the problem.
I keep messing it up, and feel like I have been doing so for the fast 2 months when I think about out it.

BtB hasn't got back to me yet, so I'm still waiting to see what he says, but even though I get expert advice all the time I'm not very good at implementing it.
The whole thing just seems so messy and bitty, I don't know where to start.

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I know now how to implement them.
So, explain it to me then. . .

I hate the thought of you glossing over something so important as progression schemes and filling your mind with something so trivial as the optimal post-workout nutritional window.

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So, explain it to me then. . .

I hate the thought of you glossing over something so important and filling your mind with something so trivial as the optimal post-workout nutritional window.


Right,well.

I'm going to stick with the same progression scheme of 2.5 kg every time I do the lift, because that seems to have worked well for the past month or 2 I've been training.
I lost track somewhat of where I was in terms of weight on the bar, so I'm going to go through every lift tomorrow, and reestablish where I'm at on each exercise.

What might, and very likely will prove difficult though, is finding the happy medium between a weight thats too light or too heavy.

For example with barbell rows, I could pick a weight that allows me to hit 5 reps, but I'm not going to be able to go right up to my chest, and probably will only be able to go half the way up.

I don't know if thats right, or weather I should revert back to using a lighter weight, where I can get that full range of motion.

Though If I do that I'll feel as though I'm taking a step backward.

You said yourself that if I'm not getting stronger, progressing, and building muscle, then all that food I'm eating is going to have the opposite effect, and make me fat rather than muscle bound, and surely if I'm going back a step and start building my way back up to the weight I was using before, which may take over a month, I'm wasting my opportunities to grow, because I won't be getting stronger.

I don't know weather worse form with heavier weight will get me better results, or weather going backwards somewhat on some of my lifts, so I have perfect form, even if the weights lighter.

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Old 05-03-2013, 06:43 AM   #6
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Right,well.

I'm going to stick with the same progression scheme of 2.5 kg every time I do the lift, because that seems to have worked well for the past month or 2 I've been training. I lost track somewhat of where I was in terms of weight on the bar, so I'm going to go through every lift tomorrow, and reestablish where I'm at on each exercise.

What might, and very likely will prove difficult though, is finding the happy medium between a weight thats too light or too heavy.
For example with barbell rows, I could pick a weight that allows me to hit 5 reps, but I'm not going to be able to go right up to my chest, and probably will only be able to go half the way up.

I don't know if thats right, or weather I should revert back to using a lighter weight, where I can get that full range of motion.
Though If I do that I'll feel as though I'm taking a step backward.

You said yourself that if I'm not getting stronger, progressing, and building muscle, then all that food I'm eating is going to have the opposite effect, and make me fat rather than muscle bound, and surely if I'm going back a step and start building my way back up to the weight I was using before, which may take over a month, I'm wasting my opportunities to grow, because I won't be getting stronger.

I don't know weather worse form with heavier weight will get me better results, or weather going backwards somewhat on some of my lifts, so I have perfect form, even if the weights lighter.
To add my two bits to your original question - think about how guys got big and strong before supplements were this readily available. Supplements can help you when you have built your foundation...Don't stress if you can't afford it. Cottage cheese is another great lean source of protein as well. Also, GNC is pretty expensive - are their not any online companies where you are??

Secondly, you should never really sacrifice form for more weight. As they say, "CHECK YOUR EGO AT THE DOOR". Every person here would rather you start with an empty bar and add weight slowly, BUT keeping your form proper. You even said that's what was working for you before, so don't stop.

More reps is also a form of progression, so spend some time under the bar and you will eventually learn what you can do at different rep ranges. For me their really isn't a direct answer to "what do you bench" or "what do you squat"...my question is how many reps should I do first?

And finally, remember that "this is not a sprint - it is a marathon". Keep your own log at home (as I and I'm sure as many of the guys here do). Review it, add/make notes and learn from it.
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Just finished my last scoop of whey protein powder yesterday.

I don't really have allot of money, so buying a new 40 tub would be a pretty big set back.

Was wondering if I really need it, and if I can ditch it and just have an extra meal post workout instead.

I know there's the whole deal with the anabolic window, that suggests that because whey doesn't have to be digested, it goes straight to your muscles to repair them more efficiently as opposed to food that takes longer.

Sounds like BS to me but I just thought I'd make sure before I make the decision.

Ditch it or buy a new tub?
At your current level a pint of milk and some buns or cookies will do you more good than supplements post workout. I often drink a litre of chocomilk instead of supplements post training and It works as good as anything you buy at GNC =)

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I don't think there is much substance to the so called anabolic window. I wouldn't worry about that. Hard boiled eggs are a good cheap source of protein.

Swede had a good suggestion about the chocolate milk post w/o as it has all the nutrients you need in the right ratios.
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Egg whites and chocolate milk in the blender. I've done it for many years.
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You do not need the powder. It is convenient to have if you can afford it but milk, egss, meat, peanut butter, will all work for you. What you need to focus on right now is pick up the weight put down the weight----- pick up the food, eat the food.
As for the anabolic window...... that's the drve thru at this point.
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