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Reefboy1980 04-11-2013 01:53 PM

P-F-C Ratios
So I've heard that you only need 0.82 -1grams per pound of lean body mass for optimum protein intake. I've also heard that natural lifters should consume 0.5grams of fat per pound of body weight & then the rest can come from carbs. This is giving me lots of flexibility when it comes to carbs. It's become a nice food is enjoyable

Is what I've heard correct or am I better sicking to a percentage of macros closer to 30-40-30

BendtheBar 04-11-2013 02:44 PM

PCF ratios are pretty much useless. They can help when cutting for a bodybuilding show when you need to be ultra-specific, but for 99.99% of us they simply aren't needed.

When you are setting up an eating plan you want to make sure you are eating a minimum amount of protein. Some sources will tell you that you only "need" 150 grams per day, but in many cases it makes sense to eat more. If you need a lot of daily calories, then increase your protein intake in the name of balance.

Eat about 20-30% of your daily calories from fats, or even more if you require a lot of daily calories or have insulin sensitivity.

Carbs can fill in the caloric gaps.

I have never counted PCFs in my life and it's never held me back. If you eat sensibly, balanced and mostly whole, nutritious foods you will never need to count anything. Just make sure you are not undereating fats or protein.

Also, listen to your body. If you are eating mostly whole foods and still feeling hungry, eat.

This is my 2 cents. Some people might have differing opinions.

Reefboy1980 04-20-2013 09:42 AM

Ok can you consume too much protein or fat?

I'm hitting my recommendations quite easily at the moment. Loving this flexible diet

I'm trying to keep my protein of a minimum of 1gram per 1lb of LBM it's normally around 1.25-1.5 though

My fat is around 0.5grams per pound of body weight. I could quite easily bump this up but can you bump this up too much?

Carbs I don't really concentrate on now, I just fill the gaps in to hit calories. Normally good sources i.e high fiber

SecondsOut 04-20-2013 10:20 AM

hey ReefBoy,
it sounds to me like you're micromanaging and being calculated with your daily diet, possibly even to the point where you're analyzing each meal. if you check my "Diet" log (linked below), you'll see that i sometimes use FitDay to log my meals and get all kinds of fancy pie charts and percentages about my diet. of course, i use this program more out of curiosity than anything -- i don't have any diet "plan" whatsoever. also, just to remind you (because i said this in one of your other threads), i'm naturally skinny with very low lean mass. i was 140 lbs. (at 5'8") before i started lifting. you and i are in the same boat.

that said, in my experience, a "perfectly dialed-in diet" (in quotes because there probably is no such thing, regardless of what people tell you about percentages) does not result in quick gains. yes, you need plenty of protein. yes, you need to eat more on a bulk. yes, you need to consume less while cutting. but even if you reach 100% confidence in your diet and feel you've found some sort of magical ratio, you won't see quick gains. a good diet doesn't affect you like steroids: it will still take a long time for you to notice mass gains, and it will not prevent plateaus in strength.

BtB's post pretty much sums up everything you need to know. there's no point in micromanaging every single meal and trying to "maximize your diet for gains." you're going to be at this for a very long while. you need to be prepared to buckle down for the long haul. if you internalize the idea "i need plenty of protein and significantly higher calories while bulking," i'm sure whatever diet results from this will be great.

moeheep 04-21-2013 08:02 PM

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