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Old 03-09-2013, 04:56 PM   #11
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But, but what of all the studies? Sheeple, listening to sheeple.
I dislike the term sheeple. It carries with it an arrogance, and the implication that people who hold a certain belief at a given point in time are eager to swallow anything. I don't believe this to be true.

There are many things I simply don't have time to personally research. I'm not a sheeple because of this, I'm a human being with a limited amount of time. There are many things in life where I am forced to rely on the educated opinions of others.

I have opinions about a lot of things in life, but I also know many of these opinions will change over time as I gather more information. This grounds me, and prevents me from dry-humping my dogmatism on a daily basis.

I try to help people the best I can on a daily basis, using what I currently know. I do this only when asked for assistance, and with the best of intentions. I try to avoid putting other people down, or propping myself up.

We are all in process. I have no desire to be better than anyone else. my desire is to enjoy my life, and help others enjoy their time as a mouth-breather.

I also don't believe I can convert others, nor do I have the desire to do so. If someone is in denial, and asks me for help, and they are the root cause of the problem, I will tell them my honest opinion. I am not trying to insult them, but rather give them the truth. There is a difference of intention here.

Arrogance is arrogance, and truth is truth. If someone asks me for an opinion, I don't use it as an opportunity to prop myself up.
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Old 03-09-2013, 06:20 PM   #12
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I dislike the term sheeple. It carries with it an arrogance, and the implication that people who hold a certain belief at a given point in time are eager to swallow anything. I don't believe this to be true.

There are many things I simply don't have time to personally research. I'm not a sheeple because of this, I'm a human being with a limited amount of time. There are many things in life where I am forced to rely on the educated opinions of others.

I have opinions about a lot of things in life, but I also know many of these opinions will change over time as I gather more information. This grounds me, and prevents me from dry-humping my dogmatism on a daily basis.

I try to help people the best I can on a daily basis, using what I currently know. I do this only when asked for assistance, and with the best of intentions. I try to avoid putting other people down, or propping myself up.

We are all in process. I have no desire to be better than anyone else. my desire is to enjoy my life, and help others enjoy their time as a mouth-breather.

I also don't believe I can convert others, nor do I have the desire to do so. If someone is in denial, and asks me for help, and they are the root cause of the problem, I will tell them my honest opinion. I am not trying to insult them, but rather give them the truth. There is a difference of intention here.

Arrogance is arrogance, and truth is truth. If someone asks me for an opinion, I don't use it as an opportunity to prop myself up.

No one asked me and I was not trying to help anyone. My comments where not directed at any one person. I was simply commenting on the horde mentality that I see in this world every day.

I refuse to go along to get along.

Seems to me that you just need to be the right person to us the term sheeple around here. Muscle and Brawn Forums - Search Results
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Old 03-10-2013, 07:12 AM   #13
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Then when I told him how much water I drink -- which is really a ridiculous amount -- he said "dude, too much water is bad for you."

This guy is 5'6" - 5'7" and looks like a bag of bones.
It is possible to drink too much water, so if you drink 'ridiculous' amounts, he may have a point. The body has complex mechanisms for osmoregulation, but it is possible to overwhelm them by deliberately overconsuming water. More to the point, why would you bother? Unless you're thirsty all the time - which might indicate a health problem - there's just no point in drinking large amounts of water.

How is your friend's height and weight relevant to his claims?

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Too much of anything is, by definition, too much! So what does that statement actually offer in a conversation? Absolutely nothing!
True, but I do think there is a tendency for the fitness community to think that this doesn't apply to water. There are an awful lot of people who are still stuck in this 'a lot of water will help flush out toxins' idea.


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I dislike the term sheeple.
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Old 03-10-2013, 07:22 AM   #14
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True, but I do think there is a tendency for the fitness community to think that this doesn't apply to water.
I was making more of a general comment on the over-used term "too much", to make a point in a debate.

It's had far too much use.
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But, but what of all the studies?
You know I love you, but this drives me nuts.

Look - 'studies' are just a way of trying to find the truth in a careful, controlled way. For all their faults, 'studies' are an attempt to analyse a hugely complex problem in a way that no other system of enquiry can hope to tackle.

You're fond of criticising studies because current guidelines on nutrition don't fit with your personal experience. But you seem to ignore the facts that:

Diabetes was discovered by studies
Insulin was discovered by studies
Genetic contributors to heart disease and diabetes were discovered by studies
LDL and HDL were isolated by use of studies
Bloodwork was developed through studies.
Vitamins were discovered by studies

There really isn't any sort of medical, biological or nutritional knowledge worth a damn that hasn't been arrived at without properly conducted scientifc studies. What else is there? Folk medicine? Mashing up mandrake roots and plaintains and hoping for the best? Asking the healthiest looking person on the street what they eat?

Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

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I was making more of a general comment on the over-used term "too much", to make a point in a debate.

It's had far too much use.

I see what you did there.
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Old 03-10-2013, 09:03 AM   #17
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To me some think that they know way more than others. Or that they are embarrassed by how they stack up to you so when you say you do this or that, they have to come back with a comment to make you look or feel bad so it boosts them up a bit since they do not do it. That is how I took the thread.
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I hear similar things every once in a while. I think its just normal for people to try and point out something bad that you are doing or make what you are doing sound bad, so it can justify why they don't change there lives. He looks at you and gives you a compliment and knows that he would prefer to look like you but instead of actually working hard to look that way they through out a negative in the same sentence to justify why they aren't doing it themselves.
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You know I love you, but this drives me nuts.

Look - 'studies' are just a way of trying to find the truth in a careful, controlled way. For all their faults, 'studies' are an attempt to analyse a hugely complex problem in a way that no other system of enquiry can hope to tackle.

You're fond of criticising studies because current guidelines on nutrition don't fit with your personal experience. But you seem to ignore the facts that:

Diabetes was discovered by studies
Insulin was discovered by studies
Genetic contributors to heart disease and diabetes were discovered by studies
LDL and HDL were isolated by use of studies
Bloodwork was developed through studies.
Vitamins were discovered by studies

There really isn't any sort of medical, biological or nutritional knowledge worth a damn that hasn't been arrived at without properly conducted scientifc studies. What else is there? Folk medicine? Mashing up mandrake roots and plaintains and hoping for the best? Asking the healthiest looking person on the street what they eat?

Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

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actually, in my opinion, studies that relate directly to the lifting and supplemental world are usually funded by someone with an agenda. as the saying goes, you usually find what you are looking for. this is the reason why there are so many studies that counter each other. not much is done in the name of finding the truth anymore, theres usually an agenda.
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Yeah, he's one of those guys. To afraid to do anything to get results that matter! Let me tell you my diet. Wake up have me some creatine and a protein shake. Dinner I have 2-3 McChickens with a side salad. Come home have a late dinner, and a shake once more. I've been doing this for almost 3 months now. I know its not the healthiest, but the food is cheap. If I had more money I'd eat healthier. But the results don't lie. lol
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