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Old 04-18-2012, 10:22 AM   #11
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We have discussed on the forum several times that getting to 85% generally only requires progression, the basics, food and persistence. This is pretty much the level that 95% of most young forum posters want on a typical muscle building forum. It's the 16 inch arms, 300 bench press level, and it doesn't really take rocket surgery to achieve. This type of physique in a relatively lean condition will look good. Not huge, but good.

While I am not personally sold on high, high volume, the fact remains that many of the top elite naturals rely on it. This does tell us that:

A) Adaptability is very real, and that we can adapt to more than we think.
B) Some volume additions over time make sense.

Most of these guys have been training 15+ years so they've had time to evolve the volume, etc. I certainly don't know what it takes to squeeze out the last few pounds of natural muscle, but it appears that strength and volume is a great combo if looking to do so.
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I am assuming they do this for a living, while most of us are distracted by careers and other things, they spend there days focused on diet and recovery.
For people like this and myself, yes it is our live per say. Most are so dedicated that yes even there jobs and careers are in the field allowing them the time, adjustments, knowledge and end result of a winner.

BUT there are plenty that are in every day jobs like you and others. Theres no way you can make a living at competitive natural bodybuilding unless your job is also in the field.

BUT when I was able body I did quite well and hit the weight just as now. Don't get upset but its all in how dedicated you are and how bad you want it.

I trained people in the past and they wanted to get leaned out but come the weekend that cook out was more important. Did they make progress? NO those people were a waist of my time and always had a excuse.

There is always a excuse for failing other than looking in the mirror and admitting they weren't dedicated enough and its there fault.

( NO finger pointing meant. Just my observation threw the years. )
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Old 04-18-2012, 10:54 AM   #13
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I approach my training goals through the lens of what is possible given the constraints on my job and my responsibilities as a dad. So, I try to maximize my training and muscle-building around those constraints.

Obviously, if someone is in a position to training 2+ hours a day and then recover and has the focus to reach elite status, I think that is a wonderful and admirable thing. I can't say (at this moment) that there is anything about my life that I would sacrifice for 10 extra pounds of muscle. I try to keep it all in balance. But that's just me.
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Most of these guys have been training 15+ years so they've had time to evolve the volume, etc..
That was my first thought...
How much time and effort must it take to be able to build up that kind of work capacity?
For myself, it just doesn't mean THAT MUCH to me and I'm fine with achieving 85% of my genetic capabilities and still enjoy the odd BBQ and a family oriented lifestyle.
I guess what I'm saying is that I'd rather spend a few days a week, an hour per session, and have a 450 lb squat; Rather than spending hours and days in the gym to achieve a 600 lb squat.
There is nothing wrong with either goal and it's all individual
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I approach my training goals through the lens of what is possible given the constraints on my job and my responsibilities as a dad. So, I try to maximize my training and muscle-building around those constraints.
Oops...MC beat me to it
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Keep in mind that there is no one "best" way for everyone to train; some respond better to different training methods, frequencies, volumes, etc.

That said, you can ALWAYS work harder and lift heavier than you are now. And more people need to push themselves past the pain barrier to be great.
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That was my first thought...
How much time and effort must it take to be able to build up that kind of work capacity?
For myself, it just doesn't mean THAT MUCH to me and I'm fine with achieving 85% of my genetic capabilities and still enjoy the odd BBQ and a family oriented lifestyle.
I guess what I'm saying is that I'd rather spend a few days a week, an hour per session, and have a 450 lb squat; Rather than spending hours and days in the gym to achieve a 600 lb squat.
There is nothing wrong with either goal and it's all individual
One of the reason John Christy's program has always been so appealing to me. 2 days per week, focus on the big lifts and progression, no missing workouts, food, done.

John's book shares many client success stories using this approach. I understand that most people like to train more than 2x a week, but if you had limited time, 2x a week certainly works very well.
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I approach my training goals through the lens of what is possible given the constraints on my job and my responsibilities as a dad. So, I try to maximize my training and muscle-building around those constraints.
I do too. The only time this would ever change is if someone paid me to lift, and that ain't happening.

I'm a 50 minute lifter. 99% of my workouts over the last 10 years have been around 50-55 minutes. I like to lift, but living in the gym just doesn't work for me. I have too many light bulbs to change.
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I'm not sure I could ever handle that kind of time in the gym at that intensity.... but I will be damned if I don't try to one day reach that point. Props to anyone who has that level of heart.
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2.5 hours a day? thats overtraining!....kidding. I think our enhanced brethren can get away with being weaker, but as a natty i think you need to be seriosuly strong to build serious mass.
don't speak on things you know nothing about.
same basic principles apply to "enhanced" or not.
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