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pploon 01-01-2012 07:55 PM

How to create a good base
 
I am just starting lifting. I want to know how you can build a good base. How can this be acchieved?

Off Road 01-01-2012 08:40 PM

Focus on these three things...

1. Lift with good form
2. Focus on strength progression
3. Continually imrove your conditioning

Shadowschmadow 01-02-2012 07:23 AM

Start building up your strength. Honestly, it doesn't really matter what direction you want to take your lifting. Whether it be bodybuilding, powerlifting, or just getting in shape; you want to be moving some weight.

Results require 4 things - food, weight, consistency and sleep.

Check out the book Starting Strength (second edition) by Mark Rippetoe. Whether you want to follow his routine, or another popular routine is up to you. However, every lifter needs that book to be their bible... You won't find a better detailed description of the big 3 lifts on a basic level. After you eat, sleep and breathe this form, you can start making slight adjustments to your technique to make the form the best suited for you.

You can read this for now: FAQ:The Lifts - Starting Strength Wiki But I more than highly recommend you buy the actual book for $25. You will learn infinite more about the lifts from the book than you will this link.

MikeC 01-02-2012 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pploon (Post 203112)
I am just starting lifting. I want to know how you can build a good base. How can this be acchieved?

What are your goals and can you give us some more information about yourself?

bruteforce 01-02-2012 11:15 AM

Time

Give yourself over to a few basic routines, plenty of food and rest, and solid progression for a year. I know it sounds like a long time, but if you had started in 2011, you'd be there now. In the end, its a lot faster to do it right the first time.

Over that first year, you will experience almost inhuman gains in strength and size, increase your experience under the bar, and learn what does and doesn't work for you. I say almost inhuman because its still going to be slower than those using illegal PEDs. After this first year, you will be one of the stronger people in your gym, supposing you're at a commercial one. Give it another couple years with the same focus and intensity, and you'll be in the top 1%.

A few FAQs. (These are a bit tongue in cheek. My rage is not directed at you or any of the people on this forum, but rather at the kids at my gym who ask me how I got strong and then ignore my advice)

Q. OMG, this routine is boring. How long do I have to do it?

A. For as long as you want to get bigger and stronger. As much as I hate this sort of philosophic talk, if you have to ask if you're ready to move on, you aren't. Give a nice basic routine at least 3 months to work its magic, use good form, and then if you feel that you have mastered the lifts, branch out a little, but DO NOT throw away the basic big movements.

Q. Squatting is hard, what can I replace it with?

A. A spine. Once that grows, get back to squatting. Seriously though, once you get your form correct on squatting, its pretty much the best exercise you can do to get stronger.

Q. I really just want big arms, why aren't there more curls?

A. Because I could tear the arms off your body and use them as grisly back scratchers if you don't have a strong back to go with them. Get back to deadlifting, rowing, and pull-ups! Once you get some good strength on these, you'll be strong enough to lift enough weight to work your arms more directly. Until then, you need more basic overall strength to make a difference in your physique.

Q. My friends are all on supplement x. Will that make me grow?

A. Probably not, unless its an illegal PED. Supplements can help, but give whole food and lots of hard work a chance to show you what can be done. Sandow and Grimek didn't have access to BSN's latest placebo, but still managed to do pretty well.

BendtheBar 01-02-2012 11:25 AM

^ Nice. Might post that on Facebook.

tank 01-02-2012 12:12 PM

great advice brute

Shadowschmadow 01-02-2012 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bruteforce (Post 203208)
Time

Give yourself over to a few basic routines, plenty of food and rest, and solid progression for a year. I know it sounds like a long time, but if you had started in 2011, you'd be there now. In the end, its a lot faster to do it right the first time.

Over that first year, you will experience almost inhuman gains in strength and size, increase your experience under the bar, and learn what does and doesn't work for you. I say almost inhuman because its still going to be slower than those using illegal PEDs. After this first year, you will be one of the stronger people in your gym, supposing you're at a commercial one. Give it another couple years with the same focus and intensity, and you'll be in the top 1%.

A few FAQs. (These are a bit tongue in cheek. My rage is not directed at you or any of the people on this forum, but rather at the kids at my gym who ask me how I got strong and then ignore my advice)

Q. OMG, this routine is boring. How long do I have to do it?

A. For as long as you want to get bigger and stronger. As much as I hate this sort of philosophic talk, if you have to ask if you're ready to move on, you aren't. Give a nice basic routine at least 3 months to work its magic, use good form, and then if you feel that you have mastered the lifts, branch out a little, but DO NOT throw away the basic big movements.

Q. Squatting is hard, what can I replace it with?

A. A spine. Once that grows, get back to squatting. Seriously though, once you get your form correct on squatting, its pretty much the best exercise you can do to get stronger.

Q. I really just want big arms, why aren't there more curls?

A. Because I could tear the arms off your body and use them as grisly back scratchers if you don't have a strong back to go with them. Get back to deadlifting, rowing, and pull-ups! Once you get some good strength on these, you'll be strong enough to lift enough weight to work your arms more directly. Until then, you need more basic overall strength to make a difference in your physique.

Q. My friends are all on supplement x. Will that make me grow?

A. Probably not, unless its an illegal PED. Supplements can help, but give whole food and lots of hard work a chance to show you what can be done. Sandow and Grimek didn't have access to BSN's latest placebo, but still managed to do pretty well.

Yeah, I nominate this post of the year. I don't care if its only the second day.... I don't see much topping this. :mh:

Chameleon 01-02-2012 12:56 PM

Well said brute

bruteforce 01-02-2012 03:07 PM

Thanks fellas. I wish I had known and followed that from the start, but even knowing it now, its tough to stick to it sometimes.


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