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Old 09-06-2011, 10:10 AM   #31
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And that was my point! If he has done everything the way it should be done, in three years he should be approaching 200lbs and be fairly solid. I've seen it done a thousand times over. If he hasn't reached that point, then he needs to figure out why and fix it.
^Hence I have advocated the basics.

Real natural mass is built with heavy focus on compounds. If the OP can go as heavy as possible for several reps on lower body movements like squat and deadlift, he is doing the best thing for promoting muscle growth throughout his whole body.

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Old 09-06-2011, 10:11 AM   #32
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And that was my point! If he has done everything the way it should be done, in three years he should be approaching 200lbs and be fairly solid. I've seen it done a thousand times over. If he hasn't reached that point, then he needs to figure out why and fix it.
One thing that should be kept in mind is that while OP is 148 lbs, he is also 5'5" tall. Franco Columbo was the same height, was massive strong, had "chemical help", yet competed at 180-185 lbs. 200lbs naturally at this height, while staying solid may be tad too high a target

EDIT: Have to agree with you Fazc. 148 is on the lower size.

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Old 09-06-2011, 10:23 AM   #33
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Ok.. So what do I do? Iron Addicts routine, or a fullbody like Bill Starr's 5x5? At first I thought sttrength was size also but after getting my deads to 2 times my bodyweight and not seeing a difference
I hope this doesn't come across as rude, but 2 x 148lbs(BW) deadlift is not particularly strong and it's highly unlikely you will see any dramatic change in your physique if you do not progressively get much, much stronger.

Heavy weights for high reps, combined with progressive eating builds mass.

I think this is simply a case of being impatient, wasting a lot of time switching from one routine to another and under-eating.

Hope you take that as it's intended. Good luck.

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Kitarpyar, I agree completely with scaling back expectations. I'm 200lbs at 5 foot 10 and fairly solid and I like to think I move some decent numbers, but 148lbs is far, far too small even at that height to see any appreciable muscle mass.
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so stay wit 4 days upper lower, and not too much cardio (2 days) good diet, eating a lot witout getting fat, and stay trying to bring up my big lifts?
Especially that last part! Progressing in all your lifts, but especially the big lifts, will show you that you're giving your body the right stimulation to grow. After that, it's the extra food that will actually allow it to grow.
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I hope this doesn't come across as rude, but 2 x 148lbs(BW) deadlift is not particularly strong and it's highly unlikely you will see any dramatic change in your physique if you do not progressively get much, much stronger.

Heavy weights for high reps, combined with progressive eating builds mass.

I think this is simply a case of being impatient, wasting a lot of time switching from one routine to another and under-eating.

Hope you take that as it's intended. Good luck.
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Ok.. So if my main goal should be getting my big lifts up then would iot be more beneficial to focus on a routine like iron addicts or bill starrs that puts emphasis on bringing up ur numbers? Or more beneficial to bring up my numbers at higher reps like 8 to 10 reps and have accessory work wit the upper lower?? Which to do and why?
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Any decent routine should focus on bringing your numbers up. If it doesn't, then it is not a decent routine for gaining.

So 5 reps, 10 reps, 12 reps - it doesn't matter.

Do what turns you on.
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