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BendtheBar 06-29-2011 11:11 AM

Don't Always Trust The Biggest Guy In Your Gym
 
Don't Always Trust The Biggest Guy In Your Gym

We've all heard this. In fact, I saw it today on the Interwebz. It was followed by something like...the biggest guy has no science backing his training. It's all genetics.

It got me thinking about how successful lifters tend to be placed into the "genetic elite" class. It also made me think about the fact that many tend to diminish the accomplishments of a successful lifter if they don't have theories and dogma and science to back their training.

This minimizes several aspects of the success equation - persistence, progression, and probably proper nutrition. Maybe the biggest/strongest guy in the gym can teach us more than we realize...

What say you. Thoughts on this?

TitanCT 06-29-2011 11:24 AM

if someone says "dont listen to the biggest guy in the gym" it shows ignorance and possibly jealousy. i know plenty of big guys who arent genetically predisposed to being beastly...they just bust their asses. seems about the equivalent of saying a dude who is a self made millionaire doesnt know what hes doing...he just got lucky.

BendtheBar 06-29-2011 11:29 AM

9 times out of 10 the biggest/strongest guy in the gym got that way because he never missed a workout in 15 years, and had some focus on progression. He probably like food as well, or had a structured eating plan - something than enabled him to avoid undereating.

LtL 06-29-2011 11:31 AM

No one gets big overnight which suggests dedication and progression over a decent period of time. That kind of person should be listened to.

LtL

BendtheBar 06-29-2011 11:39 AM

Here's what I think the problem is...

Advanced lifters, bodybuilders or powerlifters, do require more thought (and science) to be successful. Bodybuilder diets and getting shredded without losing muscle is not easy. Adding strength once you hit soft walls is not easy.

But, a certain small percentage of these advanced lifters (and of course Internet parrots) take this need to be complex and place it upon beginning and intermediate lifters who don't need it. Everything suddenly becomes rocket science. We have beginners doing speed benching and bulk and cut cycles and it turns the lifting world into one big fubared mess.

Beginners need to be taught the basics. Intermediate have worked the basics and season them with time, progression and enough food. Neither of them need E=MC squared. Unfortunately, 9 times out of 10 they are being taught E=MC squared by some e-book guy or parrot.

/End my 2 cents.

embrance 06-30-2011 03:35 AM

I would say both true AND false.Most times,they are indeed genetic freks,that dopnt know wtf they are doing.They havent read anything usuful even though they will follow the "Weider-Empire" dogmas etc.
I was reading dfor example Cutler statement in Modern Encyclopedia of BBing saying :My chest is biggesr now that i train for more set and higher volume than that when i was trying to lift as much ewight as i could.

So he ignores(?)that the heavy weights he lifted back then,primed his CNS and motor units to respond better later on when volume became hsi main concern.
Same with Colemann when he stated he does 21's to his his biceps from diffrent angles etc,something we know from science DOESNT happen.

So,my conclusion is,lsten to the big guys,but do also your own reasearch for your own particular goals depending on what are you williling to do to achieve them.

Gaz6682 06-30-2011 04:02 AM

The biggest guy in my gym is a monster, every time I see him lift it inspires me and any time he has something to say to me I listen intently. He uses NO supplements whatsover but eats like a starved lion. I've known him since he was 18 and he was a big guy then but now he blocks out the sun and I've seen him recently clean and press his BW +20Kg for a triple. Everyone just stopped and watched. Nobody can tell me you cant learn from guys like that. Good genetics or not.

Spartigus 06-30-2011 05:51 AM

I agree. The biggest guy in the gym didnt get there accidentally. I remember in one of Mark Rippetoes books, he addressed the issue of "genetic freaks". The amount of actual genetic freaks is very very small. But what I found interesting, is that these "genetic freaks" from what Mark Rippetoe has seen, dont often work to their full potential, as in they possibly lack dedication, progression and nutrition, because they have good genes, so they end up limiting themselves.

I believe the biggest and strongest guys are made through years of dedication and hard work.


I think the reason people toss around the term "genetic freak" and "hardgainer" is so they can feel better about not training hard, not eating well and lacking dedication. Its easy to say "I am skinny and weak because I have bad genes", no you are wrong, you are skinny and weak because you didnt work hard enough. Its hard to say "I'm not that big because I didnt train hard enough, I didnt eat well and was lazy, thats why I am skinny and weak".

But this attitude of laziness is seen all over the place, almost half of Australia and America is obese, people didnt just get bad genes over night, they are just being lazy.

When I started lifting I often used the hardgainer excuse for being skinny and weak. When I look back to when I started lifting, its embarrassing, I want to slap myself. But it taught me harsh lessons. Only recently when I ran starting strength did I only begin to learn about lifting.

My 0.02c

Shadowschmadow 06-30-2011 06:39 AM

I would have to disagree with the fact that most in the gym that are big, are also genetically gifted. In my opinion, genetic freaks are pretty damn rare. The guys who are big, that you may or may not agree with their training methods, are nothing more than examples that multiple training methods work. Even following typical bro-science can get you rather built, sadly.

It just goes to show that consistency in the gym, and adequate food, are pretty much above all else.

bamazav 06-30-2011 06:42 AM

Wish I could speak directly to the issue, but I AM the biggest guy in my gym and am a genetic mutant. Of course, I am the only guy in my gym. Freaks are few and far between, otherwise we would see them all the time. Most big guys work hard, eat big and don't get caught up in playing all the internet muscle games. They are focused on what they want, where they want to go and how they want to get there. They are not concerned with everyone else, just how can they get the most out of what they have. I think we all can probably learn a lot from them, just wish I had a few around here.


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