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Old 07-02-2011, 03:48 AM   #21
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I read a quote from a well respected HG/HIT trainer in a Hardgainer magazine a few years ago, which went along the lines of:

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"when i was young I would train with a tonne of volume, was I overtraining? definitely yes! but I still made progress"
I added the emphasis myself. To me this quote represented the madness of some people's interpretation of what can be considered overtraining as well his inability to realise that his circumstances changed as he got older and more advanced, the nature of overtraining did not change. Just because now he cannot prosper on the routine he gained on when he was younger doesn't mean that what he did when he was younger was overtraining! There is no overtraining if progress is being made.

Therein lies the rub; actual progress in strength or muscle or whatever you want to achieve should always be the marker for progression. Whatever volume or method you use to succesfully achieve that goal is not overtraining for you. That volume can and will change throughout your training life due to many factors.

My personal opinion is that the term overtraining has much more to do with a trainess interpretation of the current social/marketing trends sweeping through the training boards/magazines than actual subjective results. The latter being important, the former being generally useless.

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Russel was a philosopher and not a gym-goer, but i'm sure even he would agree that as long as you're making progress in the gym you can ignore if anyone else considers what you do to be overtraining.

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Old 07-02-2011, 06:13 AM   #22
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Overtraining is VERY HARD TO DO! Don't let people put limits on you, do what works for YOU and keep pushing!
Extremely well said!!
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Old 07-02-2011, 08:12 AM   #23
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Great post Fazc!
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Old 07-02-2011, 10:32 AM   #24
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I did a 3 on 1 off for about 4-6 months when I was 19 and I was beat up pretty bad. With that said, some bodyparts of mine respond better to volume than others...primarily chest.

Was this overtraining? No. But my body was beat the heck up. I am not a fan of mixing volume with heavy weight for this reason. Some can take it, but I don't believe most can.

Overtraining the muscle is hard to do, but overtraining the joints, connective tissue and CNS is much easier to do. Different systems, different capabilities. Sometimes connective tissues and ligaments simply need time to strengthen, and volume probably won't speed that process up...only time and strength will.

Some of the young guys have had a tendency to proclaim to me..."I did volume and you, old man, don't have a clue..."

I do have a clue. I lived it. If someone believes volume is good for training longevity, all I can say is that I wish them well. Every 40+ lifter I talk to wishes they had performed less volume when young. And I have heard this too many times to count.

So my opinion...overtraining the muscle via volume is hard to do. But it is a slippery slope.

Lastly, I hesitate to make blanket statements. Volume to me is 30-40 sets per workout, but might mean 20 for some. Volume can be relative. Flex magazine routinely recommends workouts with 30-40 sets.
I 100% agree with this. This is were keeping logs and learning your body's capabilities and how it reacts/recovers comes in. Knowledge of OUR OWN body is the key.

People see my workouts and e-mail me they want to do my style workout. I tell them NO. Start with basics and keep logs and tweak it as you learn your body. I have kept daily logs for over 10 years and still go back and review them. My workouts aren't a "I'll do this." deal, it learn and tweak.
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Old 07-02-2011, 10:42 AM   #25
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Knowledge of OUR OWN body is the key.
Start with basics and keep logs and tweak it as you learn your body. I have kept daily logs for over 10 years and still go back and review them. My workouts aren't a "I'll do this." deal, it learn and tweak.
The bold bit is especially important, IMO. Champions don't just keep detailed logs, they use them and learn from them.
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bottom line. the human body is pretty damn resilient and can adapt to almost anything...
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As mentioned, the type of training makes a huge difference too. A lot of people crying OT are doing bodybuilding type workout, and never get below 8 reps a set. Their joints get tired because they haven't built up to what their doing. They understand that you have to build up to high weights, but for some reason that same logic doesn't get applied to volume.
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^I agree.
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Most people worry too damn much about volume when they have their heads up their asses and aren't training hard enough to make anything work.
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