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Old 06-29-2011, 12:01 PM   #11
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theres no such thing as over training, only under eating? =0 )
and under sleeping.
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Old 06-29-2011, 02:00 PM   #12
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Severe overtraining is hard to come by for a "amateur" lifter, by amateur i mean a non olympical/professional athelte who makes a living out of his sport, not having to pay attention to a job or other disturbance.

The thing Ive noticed about overtraining, and I have been experimenting alot with what my body can adapt to, is that the first thing that goes is the CNS, and the first sign of that is that i get problems to fall asleep (and slightly elevated heartrate) and some mood disturbances. That is no 1 and is solved my slowing down for a number of days, eat and sleep or rest more etc. A second sign is that progress is halted and that weight drops even if im eating to gain or maintain, over a period of time, and that my joints are starting to get stiff or feel "fragile" (cant find a better word).

Than its time to back off some and recover and by that it usually fixes itself in a week or two.

Got a bit off topic here but I would like to share my experience on this, since I did some experimenting on the subject.

If you feel that your #'s in the gym are ok and not dropping, not having any of the usual (short or longterm) O/T sympthoms (moody, decreased appetite, lack of energy, sleeping problems and so on) and are feeling GOOD about it, youre probably not overtraining.
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Overtraining has become something that everyone seems to have a different view one. BTB brought up a good point, what may be high volume to someone may be different for someone else. I know this is said over and over but everyone is different. If you look at Rich Knapps log , he is the king of volume but it works for him. If someone just looked at this workouts on paper they would quickly say he is overtraining, but look where's hes at. Then there are other that do better with a lower volume.
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Some days for me is around 16 sets other days is 20+ sets. If i feel awesome on a day I go for it, and go off my routine a bit by adding an extra set here and there, but maybe it just took me longer to warm up or get into it, i dunno.
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If someone just looked at this workouts on paper they would quickly say he is overtraining, but look where's hes at. Then there are other that do better with a lower volume.
That's the beauty of the beast... Everyone responds differently to different methods of training.
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I think a lot of it has to do with load as well. Someone training in a maximal strength range of 1-5 reps is going to suffer much more neural fatigue than someone who is training in the 8-12 range in search of a pump. I know that for myself personally that I am more drained physically and mentally after heavy triples and singles than I ever am after going to failure on a 10 rep set.
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my take and I'm sure it has been stated in this thread before but, it boils down to the individual in question. I know guys that respond well to tons of volume and those who respond better to low to moderate volume. Overtraining is something that gets thrown around way too much by individuals who may have never experienced it. There is much more involved that just joint pain and muscle strains, eventually the immune system shuts down from overtraining...how many guys can honestly say they have experienced that? Enough of my rambling though, it's a topic that not many have truly experienced in my opinion.
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Overtraining has become something that everyone seems to have a different view one. BTB brought up a good point, what may be high volume to someone may be different for someone else. I know this is said over and over but everyone is different. If you look at Rich Knapps log , he is the king of volume but it works for him. If someone just looked at this workouts on paper they would quickly say he is overtraining, but look where's hes at. Then there are other that do better with a lower volume.
With volume and the resultant probable "overtraining", newcomers that attempt it also overlook the fact that many lifters that follow a volume style set-up have worked up to that particular volume over the course of months or years which is where they go wrong when they jump in the deep end without building up and the body responds by letting them know in no uncertain terms that they're doing too much too soon...then the "overtraining" card gets played and they normally don't try volume again, because they have proved through that one failure that it doesn't work, when what they should have done is built up gradually after realising their mistake.

And, as said already, volume is a relative term for each individual and they have to find their optimal groove; but IMO, it's the jumping in without building the foundation that is the real issue.
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This is how I see it my dude. Overtraining is definitely an excuse, with that being said, everyone is different. That guy probably told you that you were overtraining because he had tried high volume and it kick his ass, thus making it overtraining.

My dads been a carpenter for 35+ years, the man has swung a hammer with his right hand everyday for the last 12,775 days, anywhere from 1-10,000 reps a day, with 8-10 hours rest time. Now you would think this would be overtraining correct? His right forearm is bigger than my head, along with a bi/tri equal to mine.

^ Point of that, overtraining hasn't occurred in this situation, when most would AND SHOULD think that it has. Overtraining is VERY HARD TO DO! Don't let people put limits on you, do what works for YOU and keep pushing!
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