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Old 06-26-2011, 06:45 PM   #1
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Okay so the past week me and the trainer have been doing a few sets of 3 to 6 reps and then 3 sets of 12 on a different exercise, and then a burn set on somethin like flys or skull crushers, dependin on which bodypart i would work, And last night i happened to be lookin at workouts at m&s and i seen this and it looks close to what i was doin, but different exercises i didnt do romanian dead, i did good morning deadlifts with just 95 pounds cause ive never done them before. Here's the question when i found this workout it said intermediate, is this to advanced for me? I dont consider myself a rank beginner but im no where close to advanced. BTB this is mostly to you since you are the creator of the workout , ill post a link to it....Power Muscle Burn 5 Day Powerbuilding Split | Muscle & Strength
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Hi Coop,

My first question is this...is your trainer guiding you with a specific workout, or just general advice?

The above workout is challenging for me to do, but can be pulled off with a lot of food and dedication to progression. With that said, I still think you would benefit from a 3 day per week approach.

My reason for saying this is that you haven't established a solid core strength yet in the major lifts. I would like to see you at least hit 315 for reps on squat and a 405 deadlift before you even consider venturing from a 3 day per week workout.

My rule is always start simple and evolve your training based on needs. This past year you have continually be come entranced with programs and are straying from the things that work. You need persistence and progression on the basics right now.

Lastly, a good portion of us have given you workouts over the last 18 months and you've never stuck to them more than a month or two. I do not mean this as an attack, but I can't in good faith advise for you anything more than a 3 day per week fullbody.

You need to learn to gain on the basics, and to embrace the basics. Stop worrying about programs and start focusing on progression. You worry too much about rep ranges and programs and all the stuff that doesn't matter. Once you learn how to gain and have built a core strength, then it's a good time to try new things.

We've had this discussion before but you won't listen to me.

I don't care what program you do as long as you stick to it. People have tried to help you and invested a lot of time in you and you disrespect them by not following their advice, and not sticking to a program.

It's time for you to mature and admit you're doing more harm than good right now.

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I dont know a lot of what went on with you Coop, and I am no expert, but I do have a little personal experience. I did a lot of split routines before i did a 3 day full body routine. I thought I was doing well on splits, but the reality was they were not for me and I didnt have a very good idea on progression.

My personal recommendation is run Starting Strength. That routine taught me a lot about progression, weight training, simplicity and diet. If you read enough of what was written about it, you will learn a whole lot about progression and the importance of having a good strength base.

But I agree, a good 3 day routine will be great. You also said you dont have a lot of time because of work, so 3 days a week is very manageable compared to a 4 or 5 day routine.

Just me 0.02c for whatever it is worth haha.
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yes its specific to where he is trying to get me, thanks btb and spart, so you think i should ask him about it btb, we train 5 days a week
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im just gonna commit for a year btb u have been commited a few months now
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yes its specific to where he is trying to get me, thanks btb and spart, so you think i should ask him about it btb, we train 5 days a week
I take my routine choices and influences from people who have had a lot of success, which is pretty much everyone on MAB. The main themes I see are progression, food and a routine thats 2-4 days a week. I dont see a lot of people here lifting weights 5 days a week? Not saying 5 days a week wont work, its just most guys here use 2-4 days, and it seems to work very very well.
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...you haven't established a solid core strength yet in the major lifts.

This past year you have continually become entranced with programs and are straying from the things that work. You need persistence and progression on the basics right now.

Lastly, a good portion of us have given you workouts over the last 18 months and you've never stuck to them more than a month or two.

You need to learn to gain on the basics, and to embrace the basics. Stop worrying about programs and start focusing on progression.

We've had this discussion before but you won't listen to me.

I don't care what program you do as long as you stick to it. People have tried to help you and invested a lot of time in you and you disrespect them by not following their advice, and not sticking to a program.

It's time for you to mature and admit you're doing more harm than good right now.

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yes its specific to where he is trying to get me, thanks btb and spart, so you think i should ask him about it btb, we train 5 days a week
You should look up some of Vince Gironda's work, he's the greatest Bodybuilding trainer there ever was, but take his anti-power and olympic lifts with a grain of salt.
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Overhead Press - 3 x 10
Squat - 3 x 10
Chins - 3 x 10
Bench Press - 3 x 10
Stiff Leg Deadlift alternated with Bent Row - 3 x 10

Done three times a week limiting the rest periods to at most 3 minutes. Progression in poundage and food intake being the focus. Adapt a H/L/M scheme on any single exercise if it's too much.

Use cardio to satisfy any need to stay lean, however realise this will retard your progression especially considering your job.

That's really all you need for a while. However I do get the feeling BtB and others have said essentially the same thing many times so this may well be wasted effort on my part.

Either way, good luck. Also I know you didn't ask for it, but I think this trainer is giving you the run-around. Just my 2 pennies worth.
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