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Old 06-11-2011, 06:21 PM   #11
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My advise is generally...if you train to failure, do so on the last set.

With that said, "training to failure" feels very different depending on the exercise. Training to failure on rows isn't taxing in the least for me. Training to failure on bench gets a bit sketchy. But training to failure on close grip bench generally isn't an issue because at some point my triceps just give up.

What bothers me most about this concept of training to failure on everything is that it rarely talks about this point. 2 exercises of similar nature (compounds or isolations) for the same bodypart can feel diametrically different.

Never train to failure on exercises when you feel tendon/connective tissue/muscle stress near failure. For me this is shoulders and bench press. Squats too, as my hamstrings generally rebel.

On some exercises you can train to failure all you want and there is little impact on the body.

At the end of the day, training to failure isn't needed for naturals - progression is. Training to failure can be much easier on the CNS when the weight is light and you're a beginner, but during this time you might have less than optimal form and weak connective tissue - so it scares the crap out of me when beginners use failure.

I personally would never advise any training to use failure until they were a mature, experienced intermediate who understands that all sets/exercises to failure aren't the same.

To the original point...bullsh*t. As a beginner, "effective" muscle mass gains come from progression, persistence and food. After that point, as a natural, it's pretty much the same story though changes might have to be made for specific needs.

Failure isn't more important than progression. Not even close.
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Couldn't of said it better myself.
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My advise is generally...if you train to failure, do so on the last set.

With that said, "training to failure" feels very different depending on the exercise. Training to failure on rows isn't taxing in the least for me. Training to failure on bench gets a bit sketchy. But training to failure on close grip bench generally isn't an issue because at some point my triceps just give up.

What bothers me most about this concept of training to failure on everything is that it rarely talks about this point. 2 exercises of similar nature (compounds or isolations) for the same bodypart can feel diametrically different.

Never train to failure on exercises when you feel tendon/connective tissue/muscle stress near failure. For me this is shoulders and bench press. Squats too, as my hamstrings generally rebel.

On some exercises you can train to failure all you want and there is little impact on the body.

At the end of the day, training to failure isn't needed for naturals - progression is. Training to failure can be much easier on the CNS when the weight is light and you're a beginner, but during this time you might have less than optimal form and weak connective tissue - so it scares the crap out of me when beginners use failure.

I personally would never advise any training to use failure until they were a mature, experienced intermediate who understands that all sets/exercises to failure aren't the same.

To the original point...bullsh*t. As a beginner, "effective" muscle mass gains come from progression, persistence and food. After that point, as a natural, it's pretty much the same story though changes might have to be made for specific needs.

Failure isn't more important than progression. Not even close.
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I should have just said...training to failure still requires progression to be effective, while progression does not require failure to be effective.

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I train to failure every so often but not every set. I think adding sets to failure every so often into your program will help. It's just another tool to overload the muscle.
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