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BendtheBar 03-30-2011 08:43 AM

Bodybuilder Jesse Dale on Training
 
Bodybuilder Jesse Dale on Training

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One of the biggest mistakes that a lot of physique athletes make is only training slow and controlled with “perfect form” to elicit the HGH response. These trainees normally claim that they want to “feel” or experience the muscle pump, and simply throwing around the iron does not do any good. In accordance with the progressive overload principle, a muscle is less likely to hypertrophy to its fullest unless ALL its muscle fibers are exhausted.

Many times following only the HGH protocol, trainees muscle will shut down pre maturely due to the intense burning caused by the increase in lactic acid. Heavy, explosive training is a fundamental for our sport and is one of the main tools necessary to build muscle.

Carl1174 03-30-2011 08:45 AM

I think this is pretty much exactly what Glenn Pendlay said about why his athletes were gaining lots of lean mass too :)

Carl.

BendtheBar 03-30-2011 08:54 AM

II am no expert on the topic, but from my understanding it's hard to recruit maximum fibers (including IIB) if you never use heavy weight and explosive force. IIB have the greatest room for growth.

Type I fibers are always recruited first.

The body will not simply recruit all muscle fibers without a reason to do so.

All this fear over heavy weight and explosive lifts is a bit misguided. Now, back to my explosive barbell curls and shrugs, and my "poor" form ;)

Violent Volume 03-30-2011 09:13 AM

Basically a well rounded program will incorporate explosive movements and a certain degree of low rep training that ignores all the mind muscle, negative rep, super slo, ultra controlled, feel the pump gibberish.

I guess the muscle mass of powerlifters and Olympic lifters isn't such an enigma after all.

glwanabe 03-30-2011 09:34 AM

Slow and controlled is good for some aspects of training. However, like Steve said, you simply must lift heavy weight to build REAL muscle.

I never get tired of watching what this man is doing in this training vid. This is serious, SFW time.

Pyrros Dimas training - pyrros, dimas, weightlifting - IronScene - Powerlifting Videos

BendtheBar 03-30-2011 09:38 AM

Definitely not discounting slow and controlled. But the other side of the equation is so often discounted as unimportant by some as long as some "magic" variable such as TUT, slow negatives, rest pause, etc. are/is in place.

glwanabe 03-30-2011 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by BendtheBar (Post 126046)
Definitely not discounting slow and controlled.

I think the important variable is the word slow. I'm not a big fan of ultra long rep counts. I prefer to do the rep at a natural pace. I lower the weight a bit slower at heavier weights, but I'm always looking for good speed on the opposite side of the movement.


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But the other side of the equation is so often discounted as unimportant by some as long as "magic" variables such as TUT are in place.
TUT, is overused as some magical thing that is misunderstood by most people. If TUT was the answer the all we need to do is hold any weight for a longer period of time to improve. This is not the case.

Progression is king, and you simply must look to push more weight for real improvement to take place.


If you use a static hold as a way to increase strength, then 1 minute is your goal. Anytime you can hold a weight for 1 minute in static hold, it is time to increase the weight. beyond 1 minute and you're building endurance, not addtional strength.

Carl1174 03-30-2011 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by glwanabe (Post 126045)
Slow and controlled is good for some aspects of training. However, like Steve said, you simply must lift heavy weight to build REAL muscle.

I never get tired of watching what this man is doing in this training vid. This is serious, SFW time.

Pyrros Dimas training - pyrros, dimas, weightlifting - IronScene - Powerlifting Videos

Thats AWESOME,He didnt seem to concerned with TUT ;) I love the way he walks the weight to the stand. No handed lol :D .... is that this guy...

http://ironmind-store.com/images/PS-PDN1_f.jpg

Carl.

BendtheBar 03-30-2011 10:00 AM

TUT is a solid variable when assessing whether you are getting enough reps in, but it is a by-product, and not a prime product.

glwanabe 03-30-2011 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Carl1174 (Post 126052)
Thats AWESOME,He didnt seem to concerned with TUT ;) I love the way he walks the weight to the stand. No handed lol :D .... is that this guy...

http://ironmind-store.com/images/PS-PDN1_f.jpg

Carl.

Yes thats Pyrros Dimas. A little more.



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