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Old 03-24-2011, 09:36 AM   #11
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Default Here's an answer from a trainee (me):

First I would ask what amount of knowledge the trainee is assumed to have? But lets assume they know more than I did 10 years ago, at the very least.

Second, I would have a basic checklist of concepts/understandings that the trainee should have as a cornerstone. It's very hard to put them in order of importance, but I'll try:

01 Diet
02 Diet
03 Diet
04 Rest
05 Progression
06 Supplementation (which is typically a non-issue for the young and fresh)

...from here it's more about training structure. I have assumed that every 'trainee' knows a decent portion of the core movements, and a basic understanding of muscle groups. I'm also assuming they have been over-curling and over-training at this point:

07 Set structures and routine duration (as it relates to cortisol levels, age and experience)
08 Muscle groups and training variations (cooperative vs alternate, body part, split, full body)
09 Looking after your common joints (wrists, elbows and - most importantly - shoulders!)
10 ^More on shoulders - learn what it means to overuse them! The trainee will avoid serious aggravation with a better understanding of anterior, lateral and posterior deltoids, and how they work in relation to all targeted upper-body routines.
11 Looking after your CNS
12 Muscle and Brawn
^...or should this be #1?
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Old 03-24-2011, 10:49 AM   #12
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An interesting point to bring up is that there are so many different style of programs out there. IMO there is no one perfect program there is always an issue with every program. Some see a program and feel there is/isn't enough frequency, rest, intensity, volume, etc. I personally since I started training enjoyed taking things from different programs and incorporating them into my own program. I can actually say I've never followed a total program before (5x5, west-side, fst-7, DC training, and a mullion others). I've taken aspects of others and put them into my own. I sometimes think people think too much about a program entails rather than the work they need to do. You can have the most planned out program but if you can't put in the work then it really doesn't
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I sometimes think people think too much about a program entails rather than the work they need to do.
This is the essence of what I am about.

I do not like complication until a lifter has spent time learning just how to grow and add strength with the basics. You don't jump into a Nascar race before you learn to drive a car in a straight line.

I really believe in simplicity for beginners. Once they learn how to add muscle and strength, I don't really care what the heck they do because I understand they are tailoring things to their individual needs, and (hopefully) will learn from their mistakes.

I have tried nearly every training approach under the sun, and nothing is more effective for me than boring old progression on basic lifts.
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This is the essence of what I am about.

I do not like complication until a lifter has spent time learning just how to grow and add strength with the basics. You don't jump into a Nascar race before you learn to drive a car in a straight line.

I really believe in simplicity for beginners. Once they learn how to add muscle and strength, I don't really care what the heck they do because I understand they are tailoring things to their individual needs, and (hopefully) will learn from their mistakes.

I have tried nearly every training approach under the sun, and nothing is more effective for me than boring old progression on basic lifts.

Nothing boring about progression imo
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This question stems from seeing young lifters attempt to structure workouts before they understand major lifts, good form, and their own bodies.

The question is...when do you feel a trainee is qualified to start designing their own workouts?
When is a trainee qualified to begin structuring their own routines and plans?.... hmmm...

When they have flawless form on bench, squat,dead lift, and standing overhead press. When they understand results take years and not weeks. When they STOP bringing a giant jug full of whatever sport supplement they're drinking that they don't even need, when they STOP curling in the squat racks, when they STOP talking about all the personal sh*t and just shut up and train...

That's a good place to start. Usually takes guys a few years to wrap their heads arounf that.
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