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Old 12-16-2010, 12:37 PM   #11
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Try them if they work for you, cool. But as you see even his style you arn't leaning way forward. Every one reacts diffrent to diffrent things.
Here is another wright up on these and his training idea's from his bio.

"He also admonished against using the regular bench press for chest training, thus, for Vince, the bench press was an inferior exercise - he favored the "neck press" in which the bar is lowered, with a wide grip, to the neck instead of the chest. He considered his Gironda dips (on the "V-bar") the best overall pectorali developer (the dip could be considered equivalent to the decline bench-press). For Vince, pecs should be a wide slab, and not some kind of woman breast look."

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Old 12-16-2010, 01:21 PM   #12
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These are called Bulgarian ring dips. You will notice a that they are a lot like Giranda style dips, but performed on the rings. I don't know who originally come up with the particular way of this dip, but it works nontheless.

No, they do not feel natural to perform on solid bars, and are even more difficult to perform on rings. however they do work incredibly well to develop upper body strength.


other dip variations.



More upperbody strength moves.





Notice in this picture how the gymnast is holding his body out as a levered arm. Holding this position requires incredible strength.




What most people think of when talking about chest dips.




The stress on the upper body is nowhere near as great, even weighted, as it is in the picture of the gymnast. If the BB would pivot his body back as a lever off of his shoulder, it would place a huge load on the entire upperbody. You simply cannot appreciate how hard this is to do until you have tried it.



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My preferred method of dipping:

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I admit I was a bit harsh on my first post.
Things to consider when doing a exercise, not work out, but each exercise in the work out.
  • What is your long term goal, Bodybuilding (symmetry), power lifting (brut strength and power), flexibility, general fitness.
  • What dose your body react to.
  • What do your joints like.
  • What are you able to safely do.
  • What area is your target when doing sead exercise.
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I admit I was a bit harsh on my first post.
Things to consider when doing a exercise, not work out, but each exercise in the work out.
  • What is your long term goal, Bodybuilding (symmetry), power lifting (brut strength and power), flexibility, general fitness.
  • What dose your body react to.
  • What do your joints like.
  • What are you able to safely do.
  • What area is your target when doing sead exercise.

I did not take your post as being harsh. I took it as a chance to discuss the topic. I have learned a lot from the aspect of gymnastic strength training, and applying what I can into my weighted workouts.


As I have said before, I spent several months with my oly set sitting in a corner, gathering dust, while I worked hard at bodyweight gymnastic moves.

When I picked up the oly bar again, I set a bench PR, at that time of 240.

I do agree with what Gironda says about how the chest should be developed. Like I've also said. I think far too much emphasis is placed on chest work, when it should be placed on shoulder work. I think for the most part we have our prioritys turned around on this issue.

Thats just my opinion, and I'm sure a lot of people will disagree with me. Thats ok.

Respectful debate is a good thing as far as I'm concerned.

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I didn't see it as harsh either Rich. I came from a background with limited bodybuilder materials, so I always thought of the dip as a chest lift and always performed them that way - leaning forward.

When doing splits, I have always used them, and close grip benches, as more of a transitional exercise in between chest and tricep work.
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I think far too much emphasis is placed on chest work, when it should be placed on shoulder work. I think for the most part we have our prioritys turned around on this issue.

Thats just my opinion, and I'm sure a lot of people will disagree with me. Thats ok.

Respectful debate is a good thing as far as I'm concerned.
I was gillty of this. Untill I started to work my Delts and my Tri-long head my Db presses sucked. I never worked my delts last go around before my come back and my MAX Db press was 80's for 2 reps.
Now after doing my Delts and Tri-long head I'm up to 100's for 4-5. Even being 4-5 years older.

You can only lift what the weekest muscle in the group can handle in its roll of the lift.
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