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Old 06-23-2010, 06:58 PM   #21
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all you have to do is log (or keep track of and post) your workouts and tell everyone what your thoughts are on the effects of the product... log should last until you are complete with the product and then you just do a short summary... and please be honest, not every product works for everyone....

i have run a whole lot of logs in my time, and some stuff worked greaqt for me and other stuff just didnt cut the mustard, but other people have run the same stuff and it worked awesome for them... everything works differntly on differnt people... i dont want a BS write up just cause i sent you a free product, I want you to do a write on a product that we produce and hopefully it meets yours and ours high standards.

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That's good to know because I was actually just thinking, "Well what if it doesn't work for me?" So...thanks for that.
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Sweet, I sent you my info.

But yeah, getting back to the diet, it's interesting to note something. At least I think it's interesting. Maybe a little digression but maybe not.

Back about 10 years ago, I was chubbier than what I wanted to be. I tried everything, tried eating well, etc. and nothing seemed to work. I went to my doc to have my thyroid etc. checked and that was fine. So as a last resort I joined this weight loss program called Form You 3. Like most diet regimens, it had an induction stage, and subsequent other phases whose timeline was based mainly how much weight was left to lose and that offered different or additional food choices than the last phase (i.e. one more dairy exchange for the day). Each phase offered different food group choices at different meals. In other words, they would give you a list of "acceptable meats" and another list of "acceptable fruits" for that phase. Then it would tell you how many of each you could have. So you had a list of all these "acceptable foods" that you could choose from for each meal, so your meals didn't have to have the same foods every time. For example, for breakfast you could have 2 things from the meat category, black coffee, one choice from the fruit category, one from the bread category, one from the fat category. You were required to weigh in once or twice a week and keep a food log of everything you ate so the counselor could review your foods choices.

Even though I really wasn't eating any different foods on the program than I was before the program, per se, the weight just started to melt off. I didn't even have to exercise. And I wasn't hungry, and I felt great. I didn't understand it but all I can surmise is that it encouraged a little more protein (for better and longer satiation) and it must have perfectly balanced the macronutrients at the right times of the day. I don't really know. All I know is that it worked, and it worked well. I could even have a cheat meal or even sometimes a cheat day and it didn't matter - the weight just fell off. I also remember that they had these meal replacement supplements that you could buy. I didn't buy a whole lot of them but I think you were required to eat at least one every few meals or something. It was usually pretty much the equivalent of a protein shake or some other protein additive, again I think to keep you fuller longer.

What the fack is the point of me telling you this, you ask? Well...interestingly enough is that I weighed about the same then as I do now. Do I look the same? Absolutely not; my lean mass is much higher than it was then. BUT...remember that before the program I tried on my own to eat well without success, and even back then I knew a little something about nutrition. It wasn't like I was eating cheeseburgers and calling it a "protein patty". After starting the program I didn't feel like I was really eating any differently, just...it was more structured. I can't help but remember back then that I was doing something wrong, and then my diet was altered slighty and everything was suddenly agreeing with my body and I was losing weight. Yeah I lost mass for sure. I was thinner but I know my muscle mass was pretty weak. They then encouraged me to take up weight lifting to bring my mass up. That's when I got pregnant and had to go off the program completely. Some people were saying I looked TOO skinny (I got down to 127 lbs. which IS pretty low for my body type). After I had my first child I got down to 132 by employing pretty much the same things I learned from the Form You 3 program (I still had the brochures/menus and remembered what the exchanges were etc.). After I had my second child the lowest I've been able to get to is 144. I've been stuck hovering around 150 for the most part.

The moral of this very long, drawn out story is this: I was doing something wrong back then and I feel like I'm doing something wrong now, maybe the same "wrong" that kept me from losing the weight. I actually looked up the Form You 3 program brochures so I could see what the phases were, maybe try them again on my own and see what happened, but I noticed they weren't very "weightlifting" friendly e.g. not near enough protein and seemed pretty calorie restrictive. I wasn't sure if I could make it work with my current lifting regimen. Of course I don't want to sacrifice lean mass for the sake of being able to say "I lost 20 pounds". I know better than that. I just...again, I wonder what mistake I'm making that, if corrected, could make all the difference in the world. And it might not even be a big change, just a shift in certain foods at certain times, etc. Maybe the biggest factor was the accountability, having to write down everything I ate and show it to someone to be carefully scrutinized. And I realize my body is probably different back then than it is now so maybe I CAN'T go back to the same program that worked for me back then.

So with that being said (sorry, I'm a writer, it's probably always gonna be the short story long with me) if anyone would like me to give them a "day in the life" of what I'm eating these days, I'd be happy to provide it. It'd be nice if someone could say, "Oh, yup, THIS is where your problem is." I'm not sure if it's that easy though.

I'm just frustrated. I see ladies at my gym who don't seem to have one ounce of problem losing weight with the minimal effort, or other ladies who lose weight by just cutting down their Diet Coke consumption. I just don't understand it. So yeah I do realize that my body NOW at 150 pounds is significantly different than my body at 150 pounds THEN. And I know that I have changed in the last year - I've got bigger muscles and more definition, my clothes fit a little better, yadda yadda. But I think at some point more of the fat would come off than has. It's like I keep building good muscle but can't get rid of the layer of fat hiding it.
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Seeing results is all about having the diet and trainging regimen that is best for YOU and most of all PATIENCE. This is where a lot people fall off.
I agree. That's why I'm always skeptical of a "one-size-fits-all" approach to diet and exercise. And yes, I am totally in agreement with the patience factor. I am seeing results, maybe not in the timeline I wanted, but I think I will get there.
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